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Been visiting alot of these Dang ki birthday....usually they have ge tai....how come there are so many dua ya peh around.....

Could anyone explain to me more about these Dang Ki practises....like how are they being selected, the ritual, how realistic are them...are they the real god?


Thanks...

To explain on how Mediumship works, this will need at least a few months to years to talk about. :P

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Engaging of Ge Tai is a new form of entertainment for the Deities or on big celebration, maybe I shall said that it is a form of entertainment more to human then to the Deities.

In the past, only celebrations in the Seventh Month, Ge Tais are engaged, but now, more and more big celebrations of Deities birthday also engaged them, this is a sign of culture changing and also the needs of human have increased from normal, boring, dull traditional cultures are going down-slope.

Hi Kelby10!

There's a book by Margaret Chan titled "Ritual's theatre; Theatre's ritual". Very informative on Tangkis matters. It's a book (an thesis, actually) on Tangki worship, thus it would answer most of your query on Tangki.

On getai....well, personally it's only for human's entertainments. How do I know?...I'have asked a few deities (during their festivals) and most answered best is those string puppets or wayang shows.

Please enjoy here and do not hesitate to ask anything. Most bros n sis here are very mature and will surely try best to answer your questions or request.

Happy surfing!

hi kelby10,

Been visiting alot of these Dang ki birthday First of all, these festivals are held not to celebrate the dang ki's(temple medium) birthday, they are held to celebrate the ±¦µ®(days dedicated to various deities to commemorate their days of attainment of deityhood,enlightment etc) of the deities that the various temples pray to.

usually they have ge tai Ya, nowadays, Getai is the more popular choice becoz of commercialism n as a form of appreciation show for the temple's sponsors n kind hearted followers for their donations.

how come there are so many dua ya peh do u mean to ask why alot of temples pray to Dua Ya Peh? if so, it is becoz, most temples have a netherworld section, n dua ya peh is 1 of the netherworld constables. It's existence in the temple is primarily to 'remind' temple visitors not to stray into the wrong path, something like a scare tactic. N to fulfil the Tian Di n Ren that taoism encompasses.
TIAN represented by the heavenly gods e.g Jade Emporer, Di represented by the land netherworld God's, e.g Cheng Huang as the emporer of land. Ren is of cos represented by the human existence in the temples, the visitors to the temples n the various pratitioners of taoism( priests, mediums)

Could anyone explain to me more about these Dang Ki practises....like how are they being selected, the ritual, how realistic are them...are they the real god?
This is a very subjective question, traditionally, Dang Ki's go through a stringent 'apprenticeship' to learn the the ropes of mediumship from a master, the master will than decide and chose, if there are more than 1 disciple, who makes the cut as a dang ki and will proceed on to guide him thro the process of 'lending the body' to the gods. This usually takes years, as would be Dang Ki's would have to be trained 1st in various taoist rituals n cultivation.
Some mediums are 'approached' by the gods themselves, as what we normally say in laymen terms, these pple has ÏÉ¹Ç or the god's bone that makes them suitable as a medium for the gods to pass on their message.Even these pple picked by the gods need guidance from a master to learn the the ropes of mediumship properly.
Nowadays, Taosim followers numbers has fallen and predictably, so will be the number of mediums goin around. Due to this, alot of temples are having n getting young n inexperienced boys to become dang ki's. they are usually put through a crash course n thrown straight into the fray to see whether or not the spirit of the gods will possese them. If it does, than good for them, if it doesnt, than it means they dun make the cut. Most of the time,becos of the nature they were brought into the mediumship circle, these new age mediums do not possese high personal religious cultivation of their own, leading to some pple calling them Yew Keng mediums.

Think of mediumship as a person driving a car.
The god is the driver, n the medium the car.
For the driver who needs to do well in a race or drive well, he needs a properly oiled n tuned car, with a good engine n internals to last the distance n withstand the race. With this combination,everytime they are on the road or in any race, they will go out with confidence n perform well n up to expectations.

In another case, u could still have the same driver, n a car that looks really good n cool outside, with the latest car bodykits n such. But with a engine that has not even be run-in, and car specifications not good even for a race. The driver can still drive the car, but it will still only remain as a good looking car who cannot make the mark performance wise.

I often hear pple saying this dangki zhun , that dangki buay zhun, i hope the above analogue can satisfy bith ur question, n those pple's opinion, but a very large part, on your asking of whether they are real n how realistic are they,will still be very much based on your own personal views n taking n acceptance on the matter.

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Thanks for your explaination..

one thing i asked is why so many dua ya pek coz...when i went to see such session.i see different ah pek comes from different temple.....thats why i prompt that why so many dua ya pek around....


where to get that book mention ???

dua/li ya pek is the latest "fashion" in Dang Ki trade lar...
If u go see yew keng, most ppl will crowd round du/li ya pek but not Tian God...

ya..dua yah peh n lee yah peh gt famous.
last time rarely c ah peh ban gong all those

This is due to human greed. Dua/li kor's kindness is taken advantage of. Dua/Li kor pain to see human suffering thus give 4D as a quick fix which bring more peoples asking for 4D luck!

How are these greedy peoples going to pay back?????

they cannot "c thru"...they only think of nw..many realistic 1..

U cant blame them for being greedy as our living standard keep rising due to various factors. Thus their only outlet to keep up with rising standard is to ask for a windfall through lottery. They only care for their well being rather than the principle of worshipping towards the deity. Even temples become commercialise inorder to stay floating or else they will drown.

they strike.aft which some juz spend all on their wants.some still buy sth 2 thank the gods.but rarely heard of any who will go donate generously or wad

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next question..where to get that book recommended?

Why buddha do not haf dangki...i am more into buddhism..but i went to alot of such ge tai and i get to see alot such god praying or dangki session.....I just went to send off jui wang ye..


cheers

Library can borrow the book, Buddha is the Enlighten One 'xiaofo' , in theory, there is no way to invite him down.... But, But, in Singapore anything also can..

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Buddhism is a teaching and not a reglion, honestly speaking.. it is the way to teach u to walk towards "Enlightenment "..you may take many cycle of life to cultivate yourself.

Very Simple explaination here... hope can help u to c.. :P

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Haha...I am a buddist..and I study buddhism....dreamt of a golden buddha when i was young...think I am potential in the teaching so I pick up yrs ago...but I do have interest in all religions......I dun C throug...just that I do not persist and have ignorance perspective..

Back to the buddha..dangki....heard a friend said..its a different platform and buddha do not pocess or find a medium to act nor to give teaching to us....so its like what the above mention the dua ye peh is the trend now.....

Will go find the book.....

'roll'

actuallyy..how one can know he/she is fated to b a kitong?? :huh:

any sign all these??? or wat??can anyone tell mi more ab it? seems interesting lei..haha...

i'm not interested in being a kt..but jus intereseted n curious how things works... 'shhh' 'saint'

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i did asked some of my friends on this question...

those dangki are so called the selected one by the deity..either throug dreams or some incident occuring during part of their life...and i heard my friend say they must have a special bone feature..term as "shen gu"..in order for them to pocess by the deity..

they can choose to reject the deity offer of being their rep..but they have to do alot of good things...if they are willing to be a dangki, they have to learn those drawing of tailsman and blah blah...before the day they want to practise this meduimship..they have to eat vegetarian before 3 days and afte 3 days of the session....


duno how true..its only a referrence from my frend..

Simply put, Buddhas and enlightened beings do not need to have dang ki because they already manifest themselves in many forms. That's why you see in Tibet there are mediums for worldly protectors and deities, but no oracles for enlightened beings.

Also, if you look at the Buddhist view of Guan Yin Ma and Guan Shi Yin Pu Sa from a Buddhist point of view, they are two different deities altogether. From what I know Guan Yin Ma is "reporting" to Jade Emperor, but Guan Shi Yin Pu Sa "report" directly to Amitabha. In Buddhism Jade Emperor will still die and be reborn in the 6 realms, because he is not enlightened, so is of a much lower rank than buddha. So if Guan Yin Ma "report" to Jade Emperor means Guan Yin Ma is lower rank than Jade Emperor. But Guan Shi Yin Pu Sa is higher ranking than Jade Emperor so Guan Shi Yin Pu Sa don't need to "report" to Jade Emperor, but directly to Buddha Amitabha.

But don't take my word for it. Better to ask someone more experienced.

Just sharing my 2 cts worth ....

In one of the previous sintua which I was involved, the main kitong will "train" prospective kitong to-be as follow:

i) Need to go vegetaring for 49 days continuously

ii) Meditates in a cementy (yes, sitting in front of a selected graveyard alone) :o during these 49 days at places selected by this experienced kitong in the early hours (usually after 11pm till 3am).

iii) After this, during the consultation days, the potential kitong will first light twelve joss stick, pray to Ti-Gong, saying out loudly their name and request Ti-Gong's permission, then sit on the sedan and the musical troop will bang their instruments while the rest of the li-shi (helpers) sang jius. Meanwhile, the experienced Ki-tong will protect the newbie by writing some charm on the newbie's back. When the newbie started to show any sign of the arrival, the music beat will fasten to assist the arrival. Not all will "succeed" in the first attempt. Usually, only after a few session, the new Deity will be able to take control (of the new kitong).

iv) Once the new arrival is more 'stablised', the newbie will have to have their own lengki (command flag) endorsed at any TiGong beo.

v) The new Deity will then take over the education of the newbie kitong, usually through their dreams and sixth senses.

The norm is usually to invite underworld deities first, then when the newbie is 'stable', then invite heavenly deities.

Of course different 'shifu' will do it differently.... :rolleyes:

An English name for Dangki call Medium rite??So Dangki is the person between Gods and Human...As gods cant tok to u face to face...He will break heaven ruls de...so he need a dangki to help to reply to those question asks from people...And why so many DaYaPek around...very sinple thing...Put aside the greed for money..Yim god like DaLIYaPek can have good food,drink nice wine ,smoke..scold pple and pple will scare of them..Then which Tian god can have those menton above??

'dao1'

Something for you guys to believe it anot, click the case on tang ki.

http://www.spi.com.sg/spi_files/index.htm

Hi... I'm very new here and my chinese not really well... but i'm very very very interested in my own religion which is Taoism... been sticking to Taoism since yound and I come from a religious family....

Can anyone here tell me about tang kis? The rituals? The Do's and Dont's? How to become a tang ki? Steps to being a tangki... including the zhous or chants...

thanks.... can reply to my email -> melvin_91@hotmail.com

Hmm.. Are you "planning" to be a Spiritual Medium?