thanks Jave for sharing this important notes,,,,,.... can Share more Of ur knowledge About wu ying... LIke
During Darizi celebrations
1) how to Xiong Kun Every end of year(reward)Hao shang
2) TIao kun ( WAt jiu To use) To command them come and movement
3) Chao kun (Use wat jiu To train them And the Leg movement...I see some like walk 8gua to chao kun ...
4) Pang kun ( HOw to ann them in corner of tent)
5) Siew KUn (after darizi HOw to call them go back tua.)
and Orr leng HOw to chao orr leng Kun ..Tiao orr leng...( isit Orr leng is 7chian7wanren)This i wat i learn,,, other name for orrleng is 7 xing (star)jun some say is waw kun ...external army..

And one more... If normally Sintua Do darizi...Isit Or leng Go down first Than 5 yar Flag than Go ....

i know i ask alot alot of question... But i really wan to learn more.... Thanks Alot... U can take ur time slowly to Ans My doubt and teach me,,,,

tiong yar kar's learning urge so strong=)actually if evrybody gt this type of humble attitude n strong urge 2 learn more n sort out things calmly n properly..it will b vry gd

my lil' thoughts(pardon me if it is unrelated 2 e topic)

hmmm... how u knw i tiong yar kar... Haha/// i just need to learn the more actual ways... cos i need to compare my way to other than ... Upgrade abit...

It's great and happy to see our dearest bros here are willing to learn and share, and of cos our members here will also be willing to share with all of you. :P

in this forum, beside me, bro Kf, bro william, bro Reborn and some other bros do have knowledges on the Wu Ying, maybe I can invite them in to share with u all 1st, as now, I got some projects on hand, so may take sometime to post the infos up..

hope u all dun mind

bro tikil, maybe you can post the ways that you have learn from your tua, then in here, we post our ways, then we can compare whether which ways can be obmitted and what other ways we can improved, we can learn and share at the same time :P

okok.... thanks thanks... Let start About normal kokun day.....I will open all the flag first... one by one with kim zhua... like drawing fu , and beat huat soh...(like army open the camp and singapore flag parade ...
i usually Will pray all the deities first ... Like ... i will start with ti gong .. tell them today i wat day wat time. is our kokun day... Dee zi name xx..tiong yar kar wana invite Our tua kun jiong come bk to eat and take reward...than after tigong i will go and pray to Orr leng And pray.. After pray to orr leng.. i will straight away at orr leng Tiao kun... my teacher teach me at orr leng beat 7 times Huat soh ...(this I also Duno is a correct way a nt ) but he teach i learn la.... Than After Beat huat soh.. I will Use Guan yin ma Hand orr leng And Chao Orr leng.... The num of kun in orr leng.. My teacher teach me is 7chian 7 wan ren la... than i use 7 chian chi wan ren... and he say Other name of orr leng is call 7 xing(star) jun(this i also duno is correct or not) than... After chao finish... Prcoced to other god.... After pray finish.... My hand will Take 5 yAr ki...1orr leng Than 1 (main) jiong kun leng(my personal ... Go tigong tua Nia leng one///... Than all 5 ya kar Will get in their position.. ok now is wat diffrent from others tua... My teacher tell me tIao kun and chao kun... start From Tong than xi Than nan than Bei Than Zhong Than 5yar////...(i see other tua is from Tong nan xi bei zhong than 5 yar) this I am in doubt... ok than As a tiong yar kar And commander of 5 yar car... I will appoint Tang yar Kar to come out to center ...And pass him The tang yar commnder flag... Than pass him the huat soh...and he will get ready.. Than i will use hong zi to beat the table 1 time than he will tiao kun with jiu and beat huat soh.... After beating huat soh..he will get ready again... Than i will beat the table 3 times with hong zi... Than he will start to chao yar ....(pattern Same with leg up and down) ...after that he will pass the huat soh back to me ..than this continue the same after all 5 yar kun all tiao And chao finish... Than after chao finish the 5 yar... The tang yar and Lam yar Will pour wine and tea to zhing the kun... than After that we 5 yar kar will kneel down and will pua puay to ask if the kun happy and reach our tua a nt...If no puay... All this procedure will carry on again ...tang yar kar will start to tiao and chao... and this will carry on until the kun gif us 2 contuious Xim puay///we never chao 5 gui or tiao 5 gui Cos.... My shifu say there are much lower rank kun can say is just ghost ,,,so Just pray them with some food and burn some kuay chee and kim zhua can liao.... From wat i think my shifu dun like YIm sin and 5 gui/// he say U statify them ... They cant do much thing.... (this i also duno true a nt) he my shifu So i hear loh... So this is all i done for Every mth 2nd and 16th,,,,, quite tiring day for us... and my shifu Die liao... So i cant find any one to ask if i got doubts.... Now i am the only one teaching people in my tua...

sorry.. i now this is long..... So bro the way i done in normal kokun isit the correct way///??/ wat place need to improve .... And the thing my shifu say about 5 gui.. and yim sin Isit true And lastly ..orr leng jiong kun...isit 7chian 7 wan ren And other name for it is 7xing(star)jun....

Can someone please teach me///..haha... sorry sorry for MA fun... U all can take ur time... me This year 23...... quite stress liao to teach people things which i Duno is correct a nt... especially my Tua people ....Sorry ah.....

Dear Tikil,

i will get back to your request once i have finish arrange my infos.

at the mean time, any bros will like to share their knowledge on Wu Ying?

okok... sure take ur time...

btw..bro tikil..ur ko kun gt ka gor or nt?ka kim gor..

Kim Gor or so-called Golden Drum and Gongs is a new culture added into Ko Kun in this few years or ten years.

In the past, the leader will only use a horn to control the troops while the assistant leader will lead the other Kuns leaders with a simple drum or gong.

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Others like to share more on that?

nope... Only use hong zi to beat.... kim kor normal days will distub people ... unless darizi... than will use kim kor loh

yup... I saw some use horns... but.... How to use it... haha.... Cos sai gong also use horn and huat soh to tiao tian ping tian jiang... Saw it before.... So got the idea to get a horn... but How to use it??

hong zi is e rectangular block?

Horn and ling ki is the most important tools in inviting kun ... but as we are not sai gong so seldom use horn ... indeed buay puay to see whether kun arrive anot is not that important because some master will teach that leng ki is a leng for the kun to come to the tua ... maybe i share why we need to ko kun ... because kun is the soldier working for the main god ... and if u understand that sometime when u ko kun other tua kun will also come in and eat because kun is actually running about....
procedure for ko kun can varies ... for example ... some people doesnt wanna chao kun so they just invite and let the kun eat themselves which is similar to the sai gong style ... if u chao kun it is just like training the army ... and it is important that to keep the kun back otherwise hahaaa... luan luan kun liaoz ... before ko kun we must not ferget to pray to main god first as he is the kun zhu ...
for or leng known as seven stars i wouldnt say it wrong, but for what i learn or leng ki actually represent 36 tian kun and 72 dey sua .... we open huat soh for or leng jiong kun is 36 times ... or leng represent external kun ... which is also those kun that guard the heavenly gates that why we invite god need to go to or leng and burn the zhao zi .... so the guards at the gates can pass the message to ti kong and the rest of the gods ... always remember that ge shi ge fa ... dun think ur one is not correct but when u doing it just do it with a heart and long time down the road kun will help u in succeeding what u do ... thats all within my knowlegde hope to share with the users here ... :D i might nt be correct ... maybe need some correction from bro kf and bro javewu ... they r pro... hahaa

yes hong zi is use to invite tian god and tian kun it is like a leng from heaven and once hong zi is beaten the tua better be formal .... cause it is very big big things ... hahahaa just like the jugde use in acient time ... am i correct bro jave

dear all,
the hong zhi is actually use like what has been posted and at the same time to grab the attention the parties involved in thew rituals and the ceremony. the deity that is in charge of the hong zi is the deity that is represented with the fishing rod with no hooks. according to sources, when he became a deity, there was no title and responsibility to be given by thnee kong to him, then a deity decided that he should take care and be the deity in charge of the hong zi in every temple thus playing an important role in every temple.

dear tikil,
i really appreciate your enthusiam and spirit with regards to these topic. it is people like you that would seek out information and thus gaining vast knowledge in the near future. although my conduct of the khor khoon is a little different, i believe that we are one. you see the objective is 1; to satisfy the armies of our temple. but the streams of rituals and methods are extremely different! god knows no boundaries in commitment and methods. there is no right or wrong in terms of which ritual is correct and which comes 1st. the deities would accept the offerings it we put our heart and soul to things and its functions. soon i will explain thoroughly my khor khoon and its sequence to share and learn together.
regards
CT

zhao zhi is e kim chua folded in leng bai pattern izit?

Hahaha, my dear bro, u have answer ur quesion, y shoot the question to me.. jus jokin.

Yes, Hong Zi, in chinese Feng Zhi is a block of rectangular wood which is use in big and small ceremony, rituals.

In the past, only emperor, appointed officers of the imperial court are able to use such objetc.

individual rank will have a certain carving on the Hong Zi (to diffieretiate differen power, etc).

for people having hong zi at home (not for tua used, etc), once after sending Deities back to heaven on 24th of Lunar 12th mth, hong zi must used a red/yellow cloth to cover and keep it at a high level area, this action we called - "Feng Ying", etc, only be able to reveal til 4th of CNY then we opened it and used.

okok... i agreed... so u post ur way of ko kun And we can shared and exchanged points...... thanks

yah quite agreed with ur explaination... wow thats means during kokun Must beat 36 times Huat soh... So ... u got chao orr leng a nt... i mean chao orr leng isit a correct way??and ya i agreed with chao kun... Train the army.... become more displined ... And ban gong will more zhun ... If not kun slag... Tua will have danger....so One more question .... when u chao kun.... wat are the leg steps.... Movement...??? isit Walk BA gua step?? And Second question.... Isit tiao kun adn chao kun The pattern Is from Tong to xi than Nan than bei than to zhong and lastly 5ying.... Or From tong nan xi bei zhong than 5 ying.... (during darizi Ann 5ying (corner) From tong than Go Xi or nan)

tikil bro, orh leng jiang jun stand for external kun .... for our practise we dont chao orh leng .... cause we dun ko external kun .... we only ko internal kun ... well footstep is around the same ... we will move in a shape similar to ba gua .... and another pointer to noted is when u an kun , kun are station around the tua like a ba gua ....
for the second one, we chao from dong nan xi bei zhong den wu ying ... the dong xi nan bei zhong is used for inviting deities for trancing... why walk dong xi nan bei because it represent ba gua well u walk the direction .... but kun start from east and follow on to last ...
we normally dun invite orh leng so we during ko kun never at orh leng beat 36 times huat soh .... hahahaaa... we only want to invite the orh leng ki down den we beat huat soh .... hahahaa... hope this serve some explantion to u ... we can yan jiu more on this topic ... share us ur views too ...

oic.....

Okay, since we have touch on abit on the Horn, here, I will like to elaborate a little bit more on that.

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Horn Part 1:

Horn, in chinese we called it Hao or Hao Jia, a musical instructment made of Bull or Cow horn.

In ancient China, this Horn is usually used only during Wars or while doing practising for the Soldiers/Armies.

Who used it? Usually is a little Army guy who is given the permission or order to gather all the soldiers together for training.

So in the Ancient Army, a horn can said to have quite an important role to perform.

Horn Part 2:

Back to present days.

Horn is not a dedicated instructment to only Taoism Priests/Masters, actually anyone who knows how to use can also get one and performed the necessary tasks by ownself.

As we have already know the background of the Horn, a horn do not have any other special symbolizing in Folk's Taoism, it is just a instructment used to summon and gather of the Armies.

Many people have mistaken that instructments used by such Ritual Masters are usually instructments that symbolize certain power, but I can say.. actually not. Horn is just a normal Horn, as for the level of energy, this will have to depend on the level of cultivated of the user, usually we considered that as the Sincerity.

So, dont even get mislead or mistaken by that. :P

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Shell Part 1:

Beside horn, ancient people sometime will used big Sea Shells to subsitute horn (if they are manage to get 1 or so). Big Sea Shells in Ancient days can consider as a very precious stuff, so sometime, such shells are presented to the Emperor as a token of Gratitude.

Nowadays, do see people selling such shells, but most of them are man-made and some are of low-grade, so dont really consider as precious.

And while blowing a shell, it do need a certain skills, so many people have stopped to used them as a gathering musical instructment.

Shell Part 2:

A piece of good, big sea shell does not only used to perform the gathering of Armies but also can be used in the healing of people.

In many Religions, Areas, New Age Spiritual Groups, they believed that sea shells are enhance with the energies from the big Nature. So while using the sea shell, we are able to "expand or enlarge" the necessary power in healing.

So how do we used that? Usually people will pour water into the Shells, leave it in the big Nature for certain period, allowing the shells and water to "absorb" the energies from the surrounding. after a period of timing, the people will collect back and with their own power, they will be able to perform the healing task.

dear all,
well as i have promised my part and sequence of my temple conducting a Khor Khoon session. here it goes:
It must be held at 4pm sharp. at the strike of 4pm, the hong chi will be strike thrice and the 5 yah will start banging drums and gongs, 1 pair each. then we will place a cup with rice, snake whip and a 3 feet skewer outside the temple with 3 joss sticks and candles lighted. then we will go all the 5 bamboos representing the Gua Yah meaning the external koon and burn kim chua, joss sticks and candles and whip 3 times, to invite them for Khor Khoon.
After finishing all the 5 bamboos, then we will return to the main table with all the food and we will start the rituals with the recitals of 5 Chiews. Then we will call the 5 yah to come down by reciting the 5 yah chiews and "chao yah" as well as "Siong Loh" and then we we will proceed to inviting all the deities 5 yah to come and eat.
After that, this comes to an end with the reciting of the Tiong Tuah Guan Suay Chiew and its done. we will have to wait for a while and while waiting we will set up the table and prepare for the meal. then after about 30 minutes we will puak puay and see whether they have eaten or not.
Normally, our Khor Khoon takes 2 1/2 hours to complete and plus waiting time for approval is 3 plus hours. if approved to eat, then we will go out and burn Kim Chua to mark the end of the session.
please feel free to ask and share with me as i am enthusiatic for all your kind comments and opinions.
regards and thank you for reading
chaytiong

oic,,, So which type of chao yar jiu and Siong kun jiu u use fo ur ko kun..... U use the huat zhu one or others i know there are some people use the huat zhu one to chao yar.....

And chay tiong bro ... Another question to ask... When ur temple do darizi... HOw u PAng kun (fang jun) and ann kun,,,and after finish how u siew kun

dear bro,
i am not really sure which Huat Zhu chiew you are talking about. but we use the Siong Chye Peng Mah Chiew that is very long and complicated with different drum beats at different senteces. here we have 5 yah, 2 drums and 2 gongs with the Tiong Yah in the middle without any instrument holding the flag and huat soh.
regards
chay tiong

dear bro,
ok, for us our festivals twice a year runs for 5 days. the 1st day we start at 10.30pm, by bleesing all the paper horses and then to pang koon. we have bamboos to pang kun outside the temple to mark the points. the bamboos, covered with red cloth will be hit on the ground and each of us must Chao Yah. we do the pa kua and 7 stars steps. then after finishing all the koon then we will go and invite the main deity.

then for 2 days we only have cinema show and on the 3rd day the main day we will do the sequence as per stated in my explanation under my khor khoon. during the night we will have bridge, hot chain and boiling oil. the peng aun bridge to open the bridge, we the 5 yah have to Chao Yah before the bridge can be open.

the fifth day we will siew koon with the same process of going to each bamboo and taking it off after Chao Yah
i am so sorry for i do not know what is ann koon. please explain to me as i could have a clearer picture of this special ceremony.
regards
chay tiong

Okay, here's some simple verses that we usually will come across during the Ritual of Settling the Armies.

Pang or Bang Kun ~ Release the troops of Armies.

Siong or Khor Kun ~ offering the Armies with food, wine and "money"

Ann or An Kun ~ Settle down the troops of Armies before the Leaders starts to trained the troops or giving them tasks to do.

Chao or Cao Kun ~ Practising the Armies, making the horses run or giving them instructions of certain formation needed in the Tuas, temples, etc.

Siew Kun or Siew Yar ~ Dispense the troops of armies, leaving the area.

dear jave,
my temple have evrything in the definition stated except for An Koon! now thats is interesting to learn and expand my knowledge. please fill me in the rituals and details of this ceremony,thanks
regards
chay tiong

Dear Bro,

maybe different area will have different practising on the Ann Kun. Some of them will str8 away Ann their Kun once they invite them to the Tentage or Temple, some of them will need an extra ritual in the "Ann-ing" of Kun.

some people may find it abit trouble-some for the additional ritual, 'cos they believed that once you invite them here with the directions given to the Leaders, the Armies will automatically know where to assemble.

dear bro,
i find this interesting because, normally how we assume here in my place is the koon is there ar checkpoints upon chao yah. because for us, if we would like them to be at a spot, then we will chao yah at that spot and assume that they have descend upon that. is the ann koon to tame or instill certain dicipline to the armies?
regards
chay tiong

Can say so as to tame or enforce Disciplines to the Armies.

But if we will to look back into the History of how such ceremonies are being performed in the past or ancient chinese histories, this step is to give commands to individual camp or troop of where the army shall go and where the 5 Camps shall situated at.

After that, the 2nd Assistant Leader to the General will then lead the Armies to the respective camps.

At this point of time, the Armies will be given certain tasks to perform.

Only after the tasks being accomplished, then the Generals will give them token, and this is what we called Khor Kun now.

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As in religious rituals, Ann-ing of Yar is still not enough, 'cos the Kuns that we invite are not solely from Heaven, but also other places. Disiplines is very important and is a MUST to practise.

Kun may not be ALL are good, just like us, human, different individual will have individual action. Without leader to lead, a troop can turn out to be riot.

Here, I will share with you all the steps related to the 5 Directional Troops.

(Different Areas with different training, no need to be surprised :P)

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Rituals on the Five Directional Troops of Heaven:

Inviting the Troops

1. Report to the Jade Emperor that where, who and why you need to invite the Troops.
2. Report to the the Main Deities at the Tua or Temple that who and when you are inviting the Troops.
3. Give commands to the Black Order General (Hei Ling Jiang Jun) that you will need to invite the 5 Directional Troops on when.
4. Give commands to the 5 Generals at the 5 Directional Altars that you are about to invite the 5 Directional Troops.
5. Proceed to the Outward bound area, kneel down, appeal your request to the Heaven that you and NOW are inviting the 5 Directional Troops.
6. While inviting EACH INDIVIDUAL troops, you will need to Chant the necessary Chanting.
7. Use the necessary Ritual Tools during the inviting, eg: Huat Soh (Magical Weapon of Huat Zhu Gong), the 5 Directional Flags, etc.
8. Once the Troops arrived, proceed to the next Step - Ann Kun or Ann Yar.

Settling the Troops

1. Once the Troops arrived upon the area, a Leader will need to lead the Troops to the respective area.
2. Ritual performed to settle the Troops down, follow by assigning tasks to them.

Releasing and Practising the Troops

1. Troops invited to here doesn't mean that they are only here to "look see look see and then eat", all Troops must be trained in-order to have the necessary energies to fight and protect the Main Bosses. Ritual will be performed to release and train the Troops, this is what we called - Chao or Cao Kun.
2. Human Assistants, or so-called "Ren Jun or Lin Kun" will be needed. These people will represent the Heavenly Commandors to train the Troops by holding Flags, standing at the respective spots, chanting the Chao or Cao Yar Jiu and slowly "jump" with the necessary passed-down steps.
3. Usually straight after this Ritual, token will be given to the Troops.

Offering/Showing Gratitude to the Troops

1. Allowing a Ritual Master to assemble the Troops. The Ritual Master usually will used Huat Soh or a Horn to gather all the Troops around the Altars.
2. Chant the necessary Chanting for the Offering.
3. Manifest the offered human food to million spiritual food for the Armies, etc.
4. Offered them New Wears, Horses, Weapons, Money, etc
5. After the whole Ritual is done, allocate them back to the Camps again

Sending Off the Troops

1. At the last day or after the tasks are completed, sending the Troops off will be needed.
2. Again, the Ritual Master will gather and Appeal for returning of Armies to the respective areas where they come from.
3. After Chanting and releasing the Troops, offering will be made to them again as little tokens.
4. Some places will used the "Ren Jun or Lin Kun" tp send them off, but some, to save man-power, just used chantings.

wad does bro tikil means by huat zhu jiu?is there a difference?

May I know the process of letting the army leave the area?

May I know the process of sending the armies back to heaven?

actually dun haf to send to heaven wat... i think if u sendthem bk to heaven means u are returning the kun bk to ti gong... sintua or temple close down