Title: Kaka,Carol,Rosangela and Priests
Description: Kaka and Rosangela conflicts?
kakafan - January 20, 2008 08:45 AM (GMT)
Which is its degree of friendship and that relation has with the accused people? The defendant costumam to frequent its house in Italy and Brazil? Mr. costuma to frequent the house of them, in Brazil and the United States? E still: from 31 of July of 2006, when had beginning the accusation for crime of money laudering, how many times the defendant had frequented its house? It has you knowledge of the fact that Estevam Hernandes Filho and Sônia Haddad Moraes Hernandes had had intentionally arrest? During the period of validity of the arrest decree, the two cited people had been housed in its house, Italy or Brazil? Here it is the questions that the promoter of 1ª Criminal Pole of São Paulo, Marcelo Batlouni Mendroni, would like to make to the citizen Ricardo Izecson Saints Milk, more known as Kaká, craque of the Milan and the Brazilian Election, Gold Ball of the L'Equipe periodical, elect for the Fifa the best football player of the world in 2007. The order to interrogate Kaká was directed by the Mendroni promoter to Procuradoria-Geral of Milan in day 14 of September of the last year. CartaCapital had access to the document. Until thursday 10, Mendroni had still not received the answers from Kaká. They will be normal bureaucratic slowness? It is not possible to know. Certainly, after the publication of this document, somebody will have to take the initiative to make a trip until Milanello, esportivo center where the Milan trains, to make the Kaká the questions for which 1ª São Paulo Criminal Pole is looking for inutilmente to get answers have four months. In Italy it is winter, the temperature is frozen e, many times, Milanello amanhece envolto in fog. It can be bet, however: the adverse meteorological conditions hardly go withhold the interest of journalists and photographers. But why Mendroni wants in such a way to hear Kaká in the case of money laudering that involves the founding bishops of the Renascer? Kaká is not gotten tired to demonstrate in public its faith. In the pulse, it loads a metal bracelet grafado with the word "Jesus" and one fitinha of cloth with letters "OQJF", abbreviation of "What Jesus Would make" In the language of the chuteiras - she is necessary to look at intently -, the magical phrase can be read: "God is faithful". To each goal, the half-camper raises the hands in direction to the sky, gesture that turned fashion enters the "athletes of Christ". In the end of the World-wide one of Clubs of the Fifa, disputed in Japan, belong showed a t-shirt with registration "I you the Jesus". Until the message of its cellular one it brings a religious message: "At the moment I cannot take care of. Debtor. God blesses you. Tchau ". Kaká, or Riccardino, as it is called affectionately by the club friends, is also one of the figures of prominence of the Renascer. Already it declared that, when to retire of the soccer, it intends to turn shepherd, following the steps of the Hernandes. For the time being, it more than translates the support to the church with a polpudo tenth, esteem in 2 Real million per year. An allegiance to the cause, on the part of a so young youngster, makes an impression exactly fervorosos. But that also it called the attention the promoter. The tenth is the target of another battery of questions sent by Mendroni: it contributes you with the Church of the financial point of view? Since when? With money or other goods? How much it deposits for month? E more: how much already it deposited since that it started to collaborate with them - in it gives a total to them, still that approached -, and of that it forms it made its donations? It has you knowledge of the destination that was and is given to the money that deposits? Necessary, prompt questions, that they pressure, the ones that Brazilian Justice would like to make the Kaká because the objective is exactly this: to clarify the relation between Estevam Hernandes Filho and Sônia Haddad Moraes Hernandes, "apóstolo" and "bispa", and the financial operations of the Renascer. A narrow net of economic activities that from July of 2006 finished under the lens of the Magistracy of São Paulo because, and is this the accusation that folloies the document that requests the interrogation of Kaká, the "financial operations would not have been declared to the Brazilian authorities" and this would hold crimes as the "money laudering and the attainment of illegal activities, either by means of the deceit of the faith of others, either for a series of frauds". This, to little, is what Milan is read in the sent solicitation of interrogation. Kaká, is standed out, is considered plus a victim-witness to be heard of whom a defendant, but, certainly, its blind faith in the two bishops is bringing it not few migraines. Exactly because its is not a tenth any, as it was clearly above. According to a news article of La Gazzetta dello Sport, the main esportivo periodical of Italy, Kaká gains 17 a thousand euros, about 45 a thousand Reals, per day. Multiplying per 365 days to the year, it gives 16 Real million more than, without counting the entrances proceeding from the prize-departure and the sponsorships. It is for these accounts that Kaká would more than repass to the Renascer 2 million Reals to the year. A far from negligible amount, exactly for the stuffed safes of the seita. according to verifications of Mendroni, the Renascer deviated, during years, the money of the tenths for the personal patrimony of the Hernandes couple, esteem in about 130 Real million. The questions directed for Brazilian Justice have been, so far, the minor of the bothering that the devotion to the Renascer has caused to the Gold Ball. It also cause familiar conflicts. The religious option of the son-in-law always was malvista for the mother of Caroline, woman of Kaká, Rosangela Lyra, fervorosa, integrant catholic of the Charismatic Renewal, movement whose cults, ironicamente, if seem the neopentecostais very, to start for the epifânica cantoria and the masses that more seem shows. Nor it was sufficiently, to the eyes of the mother-in-law, the fact of the fiancé to be young temente the God, capable to arrive virgin at the marriage, therefore "it is thus that Jesus wants". In one recent interview to the Vanity Italian Fair, Kaká spells: "the Bible teaches that the true love if only reaches by means of the nuptials, with the exchange of the blood, that one that the woman loses together with the virginity". The announcement, for next June, of the birth of the first-born of Kaká and Caroline, would be enough to calm the differences. The police imbróglios and judicial of the Hernandes couple, can be said, give the certain air of triumph to the mother-in-law in the familiar religious dispute, despite the disgust that cause to the son-in-law and the son. In the truth, Rosangela, that professionally dirige grife Christian Dior in Brazil, never accepted completely the conversion of Caroline to the Renascer. The marriage, in 2005, was carried through by Sônia and Estevam in a temple of the seita and not in one of the traditional churches catholics where if they enlace the quatrocentões, new-rich and aspirings to the high paulistana society. "Already I suffered very because of the conversion of Caroline and therefore today I grasp myself to that in it joins them. It would be very worse if it had married a man of a religion that does not believe Jesus Christ ", got over in public the mother-in-law to the eves of the marriage. Since the conversion of the son, the attritions between both had not been few. In one of the tickets for São Paulo, Caroline reacted in ríspido way when seeing an image of Ours Lady in the panel of the automobile of the mother. It demanded that Rosangela removed the image and affirmed that, according to rules of its new religion, the virgin nothing represented. E added: Ours Lady, also, left it irritated. The reaction of Caroline deeply marked the mother, who, as all fervoroso catholic, believes to be Ours Lady a deity almost so important how much Christ and the proper God. The fact of Kaká to have been involved, same of tangential form, in enrosco of the Renascer relit, in certain measure, the familiar religious shock. They will have the unfoldings of the inquiry to be able to deepen the differences between mother-in-law and son-in-law? Let us come back, for the time being, the Mendroni and, mainly, to the judiciary problems of the Renascer. For them they say the facts. Day 9 of January of 2007, Estevam, that saxofone touches, and Sônia, apreciadora of plastic surgeries, had been imprisoned in Miami, defendant to enter illegally with money in the United States. Little less than 60 a thousand dollars, hidden in a Bible, they had relieved, immediately, seven months of conditional release under rigid control. The policy of the Flórida placed in the couple magnetic bracelets to monitor them 24 hours per day. In 17 of August, the ten months of arrest - five in closed regimen had been condemned, five in domiciliary arrest. The penalty, determined North American judge Brown Federico, will be fulfilled of alternating form (first it, later it), so that the parents can take care of of the son, Gabriel. Recently, "apóstolo" was rank in freedom. The gone one of "bispa" for the prison is question of days, or hours. For certain, the two recompõem the energies in the comfortable house of Raton Mouth, one of the places most exclusive of the Flórida, while they receive the support from friends and fidiciary offices. It does not have one alone day, it tells daily Italian Corriere della Sera, where Kaká telephone not to demonstrate affection and esteem for the couple. The open defense of the Hernandes made for the stocking of the Election inspires another one of the questions of Mendroni: "Mr. if directed to the Brazilian press (first page of the Leaf of S.Paulo of 12 of September) to defend the Renascer. He knows you of its activities and with that he is accused " One asks that it seems a buoy of salvation for the player and that it is folloied by an accusation series that 1ª Criminal Pole of Is Pablo relates no sent document Milan. The inquiry carried through for Mendroni points with respect to the existence of "a great amount of on companies to the Renascer for a project formed for a familiar clan that controls the investments and that, in very little time, accumulated true richnesses using to advantage of the religious faith of the others and carrying through illegal businesses". Moreover, the promoter continues, observes itself "an intense commercial relation that surrounds the Renascer" in activities "well little inclined to take ahead functions social" and "commanded by a very small nucleus of on people to the direction of the religious institution". Beyond Estevam and Sônia, the denunciation directly involves the son oldest of the couple, Philip Daniel, known for the fidiciary offices as "bishop" Tide, and its woman, Fernanda. The four investigated are described as "the true proprietors of the on companies" to the seita. The text continues: "Despite the bonanza entrances that receive, possess few goods in its name and a great amount of protests". The Hernandes is not only the involved ones. Between the others, the document cites clearly Leonardo Abbud, Antonio Carlos Ayres Abbud and Ricardo Abbud, that would have the function of oranges, to simulate the property of some companies. As the accusation, the linking between the Renascer and the companies above cited are evident from the moment where many of them have headquarters in the same address of the church. In the center of the attentions of the investigators it is the great volume of money that circulates between the people, legal physics and, "although to be used filantrópicas activities and without lucrative ends as covering". The conclusion of the solicitation to interrogate Kaká leaves little space the pindáricos flights and perhaps it can help it to reflect it. Mendroni writes: "If it constituted thus the formation of a dedicated criminal organization to practises of crimes as public act fake and private and other frauds as deep methodologies of harvest of and reiterated crime of money laudering proceeding from activities of the mentioned organization. Everything of continued and structuralized form ". To continue in the inquiry, the promoter requests (through the Office of the attorney general of Milan) the Kaká all the relative data and documents to the refined facts and the defendant, also the delivery, the sending and the donation of values, to any heading or any one of the on companies to the Renascer, as receipts of money sending and banking transactions of craque of the Milan. Here it is the facts, to which cannot leave of if to follow the phrases that stuff catequese of the Renascer and they had taken it to conquer millions of Brazilians. Phrases that in a country divided for the contrast between rich and poor always obtain to occasion effect. "Its son if put in obstacle? Your husband left you? He suffers because of an illness? It is joined we and finds the salvation ", composes some slogans of the church. Cesar Romero Jacob, of the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Estatística (IBGE), points one of the reasons of the success of the pentecostais: "While the faith catholic focuses the necessities of the next one, the pentecostalismo gives emphasis to the necessities of each fidiciary office and its family". Currently, the evangélicos represent about 15% of the Brazilians, who little or nothing questions on the use and the administration of the money on the part of its religious leaders. In contrast, the fidiciary offices defend them blindly. As it made Kaká, that in the interview to the Leaf did not think two times before supporting the Hernandes couple and delivering its World Player to the Renascer. Acknowledgment to the torcedores: it can be admired in the Temple of São Paulo, one of 1,2 a thousand spread by the Country. Faith and allegiance, therefore, walk together for who, as Kaká, decided to hug the evangélico world. Its conversion still is counted of hagiográfica form. In 2000, to the 18 years, it fell in the swimming pool and it suffered serious injury in a vertebra. He would have been saved thanks to the conjuncts of the mother, who glimpsed the eclosão of a battle spiritual. In the end the Good left winner. From there for the Renascer the way would have been brief. Kaká until today it covered the kicks in the Leonor. They will have the questionings of Brazilian Justice and the resistências of the mother-in-law force to bar the faith of the mostsucceeded "athlete of Christ"?
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 08:56 AM (GMT)
kakafan could you please explain what happend between carol her mom and Ricky i ddidn't understand nothing.............
catherine22 - January 20, 2008 09:00 AM (GMT)
I can't understand the point of this article perfectly.
But I think we don't have to care about this seriously..
Kaka's church got a problem, so reporters wrote some provocative articles.
It would be very worse if it had married a man of a religion that does not believe Jesus Christ.
I read this(Rosangela's mention) a year ago.
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 09:07 AM (GMT)
as I understand Carol and her mom have problems in their relationship.......
Letizia - January 20, 2008 09:08 AM (GMT)
I don't understand either.
Yeah about the religion stuff. Isn't he (Kaka) religious enough? What's this Jesus-stuff is all about? Help! I'm confused!! :wacko:
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 09:14 AM (GMT)
I'm confused too..............
kakafan - January 20, 2008 01:44 PM (GMT)
I always have to explain something.Repotedly Rosangela still hasn't got over the fact that Carol convertet herself into evangelical christian.
ricardo22 - January 20, 2008 01:59 PM (GMT)
omg such a LONG article, who has a time to read all this, well girls, whoever reads and understands it, pls share it with us also, thanks :winner:
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 02:46 PM (GMT)
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 02:51 PM (GMT)
as i think there are a conflict between mother and daugher (I've read the whole article) Earlier we saw carol with her mom when she come to brasil now no......
kakafan - January 20, 2008 06:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bruNETka @ Jan 20 2008, 02:51 PM) |
| as i think there are a conflict between mother and daugher (I've read the whole article) Earlier we saw carol with her mom when she come to brasil now no...... |
Yes,I think that too.Sorry for posting this article,it's very confusing :wacko:
Can I ask a question?
What religion was carol before she met kaka?
And what is the difference between evangelican christian and that tipe of religion tha Carol was?
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 06:27 PM (GMT)
Carol was catholic, catholics believe first in St. Maria then Jesus, the evangelists believe only in Jesus.
kakafan - January 20, 2008 06:28 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bruNETka @ Jan 20 2008, 06:27 PM) |
| Carol was catholic, catholics believe first in St. Maria then Jesus, the evangelists believe only in Jesus. |
Thank you!So what's the big fus about?Why is Carol's mom so mad?
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 06:29 PM (GMT)
As I understand her mom doesn't like Ricky, yes? I don't understand this woman she need to support her daughter in this special time for her (Carol will be mom) , not to worry what religion she had...........
kakafan - January 20, 2008 06:35 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bruNETka @ Jan 20 2008, 06:29 PM) |
| As I understand her mom doesn't like Ricky, yes? I don't understand this woman she need to support her daughter in this special time for her (Carol will be mom) , not to worry what religion she had........... |
I think she likes Ricky(I didn't noticed anything about not liking him in the aritcle),maybe it's just a little conflict or maybe is just a rumor.She is probably just little uncomfortable with the fact Carol changed her religion just because of some guy...I really don't know.But I hope they are not fighting now when Carol is expecting
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 06:38 PM (GMT)
I hope) I don't understand what the article said about carol and her mom relationship?
kakafan - January 20, 2008 06:46 PM (GMT)
Oh,I get it!You know how know is this hole thing with those priests who married Kaka and Carol?Well,in addition to that,they mention how Rosangela never got over the fact that her doughter converted and that they didn't marry in typical catholic church.They mention some incident that happend between Carol and her mom in the car when Carol saw a pic of St.Maria and demande that her mom remove the pic.You know,God knows if this is all true,who knows from what newspapers was this.
kakafan - January 20, 2008 06:52 PM (GMT)
But,it's really weird how there aren't any newer pics of Carol and her mom,especially when now she was in Brasil... :scratchchin:
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 06:54 PM (GMT)
Oh, now i get it, thanks a lot kakafan))))) That mean that they have good relationship, yes? But I never see carol with her mom after marriage inspite of the World cup time...........
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 06:58 PM (GMT)
What do you think about her dad? I mean he is against carol religion too? From my experience all dads just try to support their daughters and let them make their own decisions. Her father seems kind and close to family person....... It's my opinion of course)
kakafan - January 20, 2008 07:01 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bruNETka @ Jan 20 2008, 06:58 PM) |
| What do you think about her dad? I mean he is against carol religion too? From my experience all dads just try to support their daughters and let them make their own decisions. Her father seems kind and close to family person....... It's my opinion of course) |
Yeah,her dad seems like a normal man :yes: I would like to see more pics of him and Carol,as well as Carol and her mom.It must have been difficult for her when her parents separate.
bruNETka - January 20, 2008 07:08 PM (GMT)
I think for her is difficult that her mom has a lot of husbands and it is very difficult to adapt to new man in your house. As I know her father getting married after devorce her mom to another woman, you can see her on the pic where carol with her dad and with her as I see from the pic they (Carol and father's wife) have good relationship.
About relationship , I think when Carol meet Ricky she show her rebel side because her mom not allow to meet Ricky but she did it, and she changed her religion, move to Italy, about all these was against her mom. I think Carol after meeting Ricky start think herself (without her mom presure)
azzurri_kaka22 - January 21, 2008 02:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (kakafan @ Jan 20 2008, 06:46 PM) |
| Oh,I get it!You know how know is this hole thing with those priests who married Kaka and Carol?Well,in addition to that,they mention how Rosangela never got over the fact that her doughter converted and that they didn't marry in typical catholic church.They mention some incident that happend between Carol and her mom in the car when Carol saw a pic of St.Maria and demande that her mom remove the pic.You know,God knows if this is all true,who knows from what newspapers was this. |
but why did carol demand her mum removes a picof saint maria :huh:
bruNETka - January 21, 2008 11:39 AM (GMT)
It can be just gossips I don't relay on brasilian press)))))))
kakafan - January 21, 2008 07:05 PM (GMT)
How do you know that her father remarried?
bruNETka - January 21, 2008 07:26 PM (GMT)
I watch a programm the most rich people and their heirs on russian MUS tV and their talk about celso celico and about his business, life and mentioned that Carol will run the comapny after her dad but she getting married and refused it because of marriege that is why she stutied in US, England, french her father prepared her for the position of president of the company (as I remember he operate in coffee making business) and now after carol's marriege Enrico will be the future president and carol will get money and assets of the co. So after Celso devorce Rosangela he got married to another woman and they still together. They also told that his wife has good relationship withcarol and Enrico. Celso and his wife come to Italy frequently in order to meet ricky and Carol.
But I haven't any info about what Celso said about Ricky...........
kakafan - January 21, 2008 08:41 PM (GMT)
Wow,thank you for the info :flowers: ,do you know anything else? :hug:
Is there a video or something else? :scratchchin:
bruNETka - January 22, 2008 12:06 PM (GMT)
You are welcome) I watched it on tV. To be honst I watch this programm because of Athina Roussel Onassis and Ivanka Trump so I just heard some things about celso on that moment I didn't who they are......
kakafan - January 23, 2008 07:53 AM (GMT)
cctm - March 5, 2008 09:18 PM (GMT)
I know it sounds stupid but is Celso a billionaire?
kakafan - March 6, 2008 01:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (cctm @ Mar 5 2008, 09:18 PM) |
| I know it sounds stupid but is Celso a billionaire? |
I don't know for sure :lol: ,but I know he is very rich
bruNETka - March 6, 2008 06:37 PM (GMT)
He is very rich and well-known and respected businessman in Brasil.
kakafan - March 6, 2008 06:41 PM (GMT)
Than how come there isn't anything on the net about him,so weird :blink: