so, we have all witnessed i'm sure some time ago.. and on various occasions jahred completely bashing limp bizkit on stage. i will admit, there was a time many years ago that i was very into limp bizkit; now i don't really much care for them, but occasionally, hearing some of the old school shit is alright(i'm def not a complete hater, but i understand why some would shun them).

this is besides the point, jahred preaches on stage to the audience how much he fucking hates that band.. meanwhile, jaxon has limp as one of his top friends on the myspace page.

of course, this is not the only hypocritical statement we've seen hed make of late.. but i guess it kind of pisses me off. i mean, obviously everyone in the band should have their own views and opinions, but if opinions are going to differ that drastically, then why bother making the statement? i believe that there exists hypocrisy in most things, including my life.. however, i at least acknowledge it. i feel like HED has been making a bunch of claims of late that they can't really back up.. or maybe it is just jahred. anyways, i think i would respect them a little more if they had a more fixed opinion on how they see things. what's everyone else's take on this?

-J. Didier

It is quite possible that not everyone on stage agrees with everything Jahred says.

very true, i just don't understand why the rest of the band allows him to say whatever the fuck he wants esp. if they truly don't believe in it.. i think when fans know that, the overall lyrical value lacks cohesion and substance since the band itself could have a debate over it. i mean, if it were done subtlely, i'd understand.. but jahred makes these claims that are over the top, confrontational attacks that some of the fans clearly don't agree with. *shrugs*

yeah. i really like jahred. but sometimes he can be a bit immature and a dick. there's really nothing wrong with limp bizkit. they're were and awesome band for what they were and i don't give a shit who says otherwise. i'm tired of arguing. yea, their songs were dumb. but they never meant for them to be "serious." just really good, heavy, party music.(sound familiar?) i'm really looking forward to their comeback. but i'm shying away from the topic now. i think sometime jahred just likes to hear himself talk.

yeah, that or the over-indulgence of drugs and alcohol has gotten to him

I do understand what's said above,
the point is I never got to see them before the first european B2BX tour.
(a few months before the actual release)
but back then they seemed to be much cooler on stage,
no rants just pure fucking music.

nowadays I'm also getting sick of the bitching and ranting without purpose.
sure it's funny sometimes , and some of the things I fully agree on.
but hed should revert back a bit.
by just giving a hell of a show without too much preaching.

the last time I checked them out live was the tour in support of insomnia, with idiom(which I though wasn't such a cool band)
I remember clearly that they played alot of half songs..
I dunno if that comes from the alcohol or whatever.
but sometimes the man even forgets his own damn song lyrics.

enough off topic though.
I think the limp bizkit bashing is because he wants to differ hed from any succesfull commercial act.
alot of haters out there claim that hed is the somewhat light version of bizkit.
I dunno if he's down with them, I really don't mind either.
to my knowledge fred durst also is a complete dick towards his bandmates so I really wouldn't care less.
sure limp bizkit had some cool things going on.

but don't you guys get it.
the whole crossover or rap metal genre died out a few years ago.
bands like bizkit and hed are really rare.
and where hedpe totally threw around their direction and genre,
bizkit is trying to make a comeback with the same thing they've been doing(cus I don't see any original new shit coming from them)

Personally I think that dissing on Limp Bizkit is not because he hates what they did commercially, its because (as some have already said) he wants to distance (hed) from the rap-metal genre which recently nosedived commercially.

I think its a bit desperate though as if they dont actually give a fuck, they would play the music they made without caring how people defined it.
It was back then (he doesnt seem to do it now) an attempt to distance (hed) from a dying trend.

The thing is with the death of rap-metal in a commercial sense, is that all the people which jumped on the band-wagon and all those light occasional listeners jump onto something else. This peels away the shite and leaves only the hardcore true fans of the genre who don't care about popularity.
IE us.

Im sick of seeing acts disown a genre, for once i want to see someone say "yes we are a rap-metal act, so what?" Given (hed) do mix many genres into this aswell such as reggae and punk however thats regardless, bands should make music naturally and then not listen to anyone but the fans.

another topic like this discussing it over and over and over and over... just listen the fucking music, cuz it's damn fucking good

Limp Bizkit were a dope fucking band. Their two initial releases 3 Dollar Bill Ya'll and Significant Other were truly amazing. Some of it was actually quite experimental and genious believe it or not. Not a fan of their newer stuff but I'll still chuck on their old stuff every now and then. Aaaah the memories. :hedpe self-titled: :hedpe self-titled: :hedpe self-titled:

Amen to that, 3DBY is one of my essentials. Such a raw album, similiar in that aspect to several bands debuts of that era.

just to reply to Broke 2012's comment... it's like saying "it doesn't fucking matter what the government is doing to other nations, we live in a damn good country, so appreciate it"... yeah it could be damn good music, but if the lyrical value is garbage (which it isn't entirely), then i would have a lack of respect for the music to which i'm listening.

no it's not saying that, it's saying that they shouldn't bitch about the band being hypocritical, the lyrics are good, but some things they say are hypocritical, but we know that... so, just stop worrying about it and enjoy the music and the lyrics

touche (spelling?), much better said :)

I don't think that he's being hypocritical with the whole limp bizkit shit. He even makes fun of his own old music from that era. Even though I like old hed too they were just more of a party band without a purpose. Half of their lyrical content was serious shit but the other half was just party shit like most ppl sing about because its that first thing that comes to mind type of shit when ur writing lyrics. Not that I don't like that or anything. I just really dig serious topics. After all, I started getting into music because of Rage Against the Machine and the impact that they were making on this country. Shit the whole world really. Thats exactly what this country/world needs right now. Granted there are a lot worse countries out there. But WE ARE BEING LIED TO all day every day. There's a reason why most other countries thinks of Americans as terrorists. Because for the most part we are. Not by choice. Well some maybe. haha. But because we're being lied to about what's going on in the middle east so we're more than willing to go over there and kill innocent people. I'm sure that we're also killing guilty people too but the fact that we're killing any innocent people at all is fucking terrible. Just take a look on youtube sometime at some of the videos of the Blackwater soldiers driving down the road shooting back at cars with innocent people just for fun. They take out thousands of people just because they can. Bush made it legal for Americans over in Iraq to legally kill Iraqi citizens as long as they feel that they had probable cause. Blackwater Worldwide are military contractors. But they're basically just a privately owned army that is really just like a giant militia. They are tied in with our government but they technically aren't part of our governments army. Pretty much anyone can just go join them without any training. So if anyone feels like killing someone for fun go to North Carolina and join Blackwater worldwide. Sorry for going so off subject but this shit gets me going. Pisses me off really. Back to the topic at hand. If (Hed) p.e. is going to carry the torch that Rage Against The Machine first lit. Then I proudly support them 100%. We need this more than anything right now. And I'm sorry but Limp Bizkit's lyrical content is GARBAGE. As Corey Taylor once said, "Fred Durst is far from being a fucking artist." When it comes to his music anyway. Not that he's a bad guy or anything. He's seems like a kool guy. He's just goofy, lol. I have to say that Fred Durst is a pretty good director though. I'll definitely give him credit for that. It's well deserved and he worked hard for it. Again sorry for ranting.

As if (hed) were a party band without purpose in the old days. To this day most of their shit is serious and the other stuff light hearted. It's always been that way. Self titled dealt with conspiracy, U.F.O., racial discrimination, police brutality, Greek myth, the soul. In fact I think there was only one song on the album that was light hearted and that was Tits, Clits and Bong Hits (the Bonus Song). The rest of it was generally very deep subject matter.

Broke was quite party orientated but mainly dealt with complex personal issues of inner turmoil and fighting off demons, still very serious stuff for the most part. Blackout was the same again, focusing on personal relationships and other such things.

If you want an example of 'first thing come to mind sort of shit' then I think you're talking about the wrong albums. Try Peer Pressure or Mirrorballin'. Nothing's dramatically changed. They still mix the drugs, fucking and alcohol with politics and conspiracy except I think they are swaying toward politics moreso than ever.

And as much as I love (hed) I don't know if they will be able to carry the torch that RATM lit. C'mon Jared would get stoned and drop it.

Zach actually makes sense of what he's talking about. Zach speaks about war and Jared speaks about reptillian forces the clitoris and occasionally war and his speeches on politics are vague if anything and often are very unclear. No one will ever take (hed) as seriously as RATM. I mean Rage never sang about 'Here now take this vibrator, I want you to play with your clit while I fuck you from behind and I want you to concentrate.' I mean you only have to take one quick look at the comments to their political myspace bulletins to figure that one out.

Fred Durst seems like an arrogant dick to me but there's no doubt in my mind that the way he used his vocals and rapping in the earlier albums was absolute gold.
:hedpe self-titled: :hedpe self-titled: :hedpe self-titled:

the old hed meshed the stuff so much fucking better though. i'm sick of this mindless "i'm punk rock!" and conspiracy theory bulllshit. they'll never really be taken seriously. the old hed could. but now jah just bounces around too damn much on subject matter.

Just because Jahred hates limp bizkit and Jaxon likes them how does that make hed hypocritical? Every member doesn't have to agree with what jahred says on stage do they. Personally I think Limp Bizkit are a pretty dope band and hope they return soon. And as for the only play half of the songs live yeah that kind of pisses me off too why won't they just play the full song?

hahaha!

amen to that!

and btw, I love lb, 3dollarbill & significant other headbanger

For all you people out there that posted some bullshit about not agreeing with the direction (hed) is going in these days, seriously find another band to listen to then. Nobody is forcing you to listen to what Jahred has to say, he's artist and he just happens to be using his right of free speech. Mentioning free speech is convenient, because the "conspiracy theory bullshit" that Jahred sings and speaks about just happen to be aimed at people that aren't aware of our country trying to take away our freedom by means of lying to us (if you don't believe me, go take a look at the Patriot Act). All Jahred is trying to do is open people's eyes so they aren't so fucking close-minded, people he wants to support the band unlike some of you.

Some of you may consider yourselves (hed) p.e. fans, but if you aren't into the conspiracy theory stuff or the "punk rock" then you don't understand the message Jahred is shooting for. He wants people to do their own thing and have their own voice, he's trying to show people they can do whatever they want and be happy doing it. So when you all talk shit about those messages, you're missing something...you're missing the fact that there are people who are loyal to the band and they are willing to open their mind to new things. Most of the people talking shit about (hed) are real quick in saying it's a bunch of bullshit, but can you seriously tell me that the United States government isn't trying to control us all? Do you actually know the definition of (hed) p.e.? If not look it up.

If you all want the old (hed) p.e. back so much go build a fucking time machine. But you can't, because the truth is even if you could build a time machine it would only be able to travel back as far back as the machine was made - look that shit up its true. Much like the theory of time travel (fictional) it relates to (hed) p.e. in the fact that it is - ENTERTAINMENT. Some of you may not like the new (hed), but there are other people out there that actually enjoy it and support it. So go back to listening to your Limp Bizkit and go on living in an ignorant world. While your at it, go out and contribute to consumerism and the multi-million dollar companies keeping a stranglehold on how you live your life. Go stand back while our country is run by a bunch of people who don't care whether you can survive as long as they've got control. Obviously, you don't care about being informed of the truth hidden from us by the media. If you don't think that shit is true, I hope ignorance really is bliss. Jahred is trying to send a message to people so they can help change the world as we see it and if enough people realize it that day could come. You may not understand the words of a free thinking individual, so its your choice to not listen to it or promote it. Some of you seem you want to censor the free thought of (hed) p.e. to suit you, but they have never been a band to conform to the masses. If they just happened to change that for you then they wouldn't really be true to themselves. I'm not one to tell anyone what to say or do, why should you all be any different - I mean thats the real message behind (hed). Higher thought...what a concept, too bad most of you are blind to that.

dude, you make less sense than Jah!!!
are you trying to say we're not real (hed) fans?
that's what it seems like to me
you don't have to agree with what the band stands for to like what they do, i like (hed)s music but i dont believe what they're preaching, it's just good music, some of the lyrics are alright though but mirrorballins a loada shite!
i can't concentrate on reading that


anyway, Jah saying limpbizkit suck and Jaxon liking them?
thats not hypocritical
Jaxon & Jah are different people so that means they don't have to have the exact same mindframe
it goes without saying that limpbizkit sucks (well now they do but the first 2 albums were good)
i think i believe what everyone else says, that hed are trying to distance themselves
personally, i want him carrying on with that genre, i dgaf if its not that popular, i like it
i think he should accept nu metal rather than say "we're not nu metal!" nu metal kicks serious arse and tbh, i really don't care that it's not popular, i've always been into nu metal music, even when i was like 6 and it was starting out, i would watch mtv and just dance along to rollin (very embarrassin i kno but still, i was 7/8 then XD) or rock out to freak on a leash, last resort, in the end and the like (i admit, i thought it was real cool at the time but when time rolls on i became a true fan as i liked it long after it died off
korn were and still are awesome
so i think he should stop with that bs and be proud of the tag headbanger

Free thinking individuals are usually the most commonly misunderstood people among an ignorant society. With the right knowledge, people could understand. All I'm getting at is, think outside your little fucking boxes. That's what (hed) p.e. is trying to get out to some of you people and you don't even realize it. It may sound good to you and you can't put together the meaning of the songs, all they are to you are just words. Well, that's not the truth and be aware of what your own mind tries to hide from you. Open your mind.

I would say those who take everything said by Jared as gospel are the ignorant ones. Jared is hardly a visionary as you seem to be implying.

He simply spits a whole lot of random concepts he's seen on youtube and wikipedia. That by no means makes him an authority on any subject. Lots of what he talks about is pretty far fetched, but I think what he's trying to get fans to do is to question what we see and hear and to not accept the norm as being the only truth.

The LB feud dates back to the very beginning of the band way back in the mid 1990's. A lot of it relates to early competitiveness in the same musical genre. I think there was also some accusations of LB copying some of (hed) p.e.'s sounds, followed by their explosive success while (hed)p.e. continued to experience very little commercial success.

that's funny. i though LB was started years before hed got famous and started on the far opposite side of the country in Jacksonville, FL.

i thought (hed) and LB started out around the same time
but anyway LB were good friends with KoRn who were touring their first album, they started out in california, LB and KoRn met during a KoRn show and Fred (who was a tatoo artist at the time) gave Fieldy a tatoo, then a demo, KoRn didn't like the first one, LB got back with Wes soon after that and then when they met again LB gave them another demo, KoRn liked it and showed it to Ross and all, so surely members of Limp Bizkit had heard of (hed), it could be likely LB would've come over to California and maybe did a show with (hed) and LB opening maybe... or at least been to a show which (hed) may have opened

and whats all this about (hed) experiencing very little commercial success? blackout got played quite a bit, the singles from broke were played a bit during the nu metal era (i don't think i'd ever seen a (hed) video back then, but some people i know who are slightly older than me had heard of them and said the band was played on mtv quite a fair amount of times) it's like saying drowning pool and system of a down had little commercial success