Required reading is this entire thread:

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Rosa_Mystica_F...wtopic=927&st=0

Before we start this thing, we have to develop a plausible way it could mesh with the actual canon of the anime, so let's work on that.

heya do we post here from now on? or is the discussion in the other thread?

It's in here.

ok well, I already was wondering... shinku was the one talking about the alice game and the two dolls scene... so does that mean shinku knows them too?

She might. Although she didn't mention the two dolls actually, they just appeared on screen, so it could be that they were being used as an example to the viewer and not to Jun.

I dunno, I like the idea of her knowing them...

I too, just saying it doesn't have to be that way.

I was thinking about this too.

Since Suigintou doesn't know herself, and Shinku is the only person who does know, I was thinking that Shinku would have been told by someone other than Suigintou.

I was thinking either:
Laplace: Cause he knows everything [So I think he does...] and it is possible that he was there when it happened. Maybe he told Shinku a riddle and she figured it out or something. Also, he is usually one that comes around to stir up trouble[Shinku/Gin in ouverture, Enju in Traumend etc]. So, did he want Shinku to know, so that things would be messed up between the two? I mean, how would Suigintou feel if Shinku knew about her own past, and she didn't? That would have been a gamble though, since Shinku doesn't trust Laplace so much. OR. Or, maybe, he told Shinku about Gin's past, Shinku got mad at him for trying to make her mad at Suigintou without reason, and that's why she doesn't trust him! There are many things to consider here with Laplace.

Enju: Enju may have told her, since he was Rozen's apprentice and it is also possible that he knew what happened. But, then in Ouverture, Shinku didn't know who he was, so maybe Enju told her after Ouverture, but before the first season. That doesn't explain why they didn't recognise him, adn thought he was their father...UNLESS. Enju was posing as Rozen when he told Shinku! That explains everything, becasue if Shinku has already met Enju [posing as Father], then Shinku will believe he is their father, and all the others will too [because they follow Shinku and stuff]. And Enju also wanted them to play the Alice game, so he could have used Suigintou's past as a trigger for starting a fight between the two. [Why do I always make Enju evil in my fanfics? Because I don't like him! Ha!]

Rozen: Or it could have been Rozen himself. Although, what motives he could have had for telling Shinku, i don't really know [but we don't know any of Rozen's motives. It's a big mystery to us...].

I also think that Shinku may have thought of the two dolls, when she was talking about the Alice Game, possibly because they were the only ones who had actually taken Rosa Mystica's before?

My little thoughts anyway.