After just finishing season 2 of the anime(Don't have Ouvertüre yet,) I am left wondering about quite a few things:

What Shinku meant about another way to become Alice and "fixing things."

Kirakishou and Laplace's Demon with (presumably) Souseiseki's and Hina-Ichigo's Rosa Mysticae. WTF?

BRING HINAICHIGO BACK!

Let's hear your thoughts. I'm interested to hear what everyone else thinks will happen next :D

BTW, I couldn't get the spoiler code to work, regardless of me attempting to both manually type it and use the button at the top.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how the third season turns out. Though I would be skeptical if it's good to bring Hinaichigo or Souseiseki back. It really annoys me when dead characters are brought back for no good reason at all. *coughmaihimecough* :glare:

As for Kirakishou, I have a feeling that she was in league with Laplace the whole time. Though I haven't actually read the manga, I remember someone saying that Kirakishou needed a Rosa Mystica from another doll to form a physical body, and without it she could only exist in n-fields. So if the same is true in the anime, she and Laplace could have set up the battles that happened in the second season, so Barasuishou would defeat the other dolls in her n-field, and Kirakishou would get to Rosa Mysticae of Hinaichigo and Souseiseki (since they were defeated by legitimate Rozen Maidens).
But of course that begs the question of why Laplace wanted to help Kirakishou...

Also, the spoiler tags don't always work properly when you're previewing your post, but they should still work once you post it.

I seriously doubt that, Norm. One thing that's fairly consistent over the Rozens is they're not big on intrigue. Even Swiggy, the plottingest of them, doesn't go for that sort of thing. Barasuishou only conspired with Laplace because she's not the real deal and thus has all the will of a toaster. Kirakishou is presumably more like the other Rozens, and won't go for that kind of underhanded dealing.

But without Hinaichigo, that successfully eliminates all lighthearted episodes. And she's just too damn cute to kill off.

And I thought that Hina-Ichigo gave Shinku her Rosa Mystica, and Suigintou ended up snatching Souseiseki's. I'm guessing Rozen removed them and gave them to Kirakishou for the purpose of the Alice Game officially starting.

And as far as I can tell, it's safe to say that Rozen pwn'd Enju for making his dolls fight for no reason other than his own selfish needs.

Nah, I'd say your first thought was right. If Rozen's game didn't end as he wanted, I'd expect him to only rewind as far as needed; if pretending Barasuihou never played, then only some Mystica need to be returned: the ones she won. ^^;
(This interpretation does rather assume that's not a scene to be taken literally though, I guess? That could be very dubious, on reflection...)

And giving Kira a head start would be cheating, wouldn't it? He might as well have installed them in there in the first place if he wanted things that way...

Well even if Rozen didn't give the Rosa Mysticae to Kirakishou, it's obvious that Laplace has them now, and is with Kira. Essentially, she has them, I am assuming, unless Laplace is going "Haha, you can't have it!"

Well, about Hina, this bugs me:
Supposedly it was Father who cut off Hina's link of energy from Shinku, right? But then supposedly, he tells Shinku to fix things, things including Hina, so why couldn't he just restore the link?

As for Kira, what I heard is for some reason she can't exist out side of an N-field so she has to use some other doll's body. In the manga this was Hina. I have a feeling that's going to be repeated.

As for Laplace and Kira... Dunno.

[spoiler]In volume 7 of the manga Micchan was able to convince Jun to make a doll dress to be sold on an on-line auction...and man was that auction very profitable...it is a moving example of how much genius Jun possesses in crafts of this sort....shades of his being a "maestro"...I hope this gets actual coverage in the third season...and there ought to be one....the ending of the second season was practically begging for one...arrr :arrr:

In the same volume Kirakishou "consumes" Hina Ichigo...now I guess with all that has happened this won't be the case in the third season but it is almost certain that her Rosa Mystica will be in Kirakishou's hands..[/spoiler]

wow, these are very interesting theories peeps, i cant think of anything >.< ... there will be a third season right???

There had better.

There almost certainly will be, however nothing official's been said about it, last I heard.

I have a feeling that Jun will take a part (if there IS any part) in reviving the two. Notice how the doll that tried to kill him in the first season was brought back to life through his fixing it? Yeah.... my spider-senses are tingling on that one...

Part of me wants to agree that they should not come back, but another part hopes they do, even at the very end. Since its almost certain that Shinku will find a way to become Alice without the game itself, I'm predicting a late comeback for the two.

Plus!! Who wants to bet this all ends with Shinku becoming real... <_<. Notice the girl in the first season who looks exactly like Shinku? I'm telling you..... if that is not what happens, the world will explode.

I've actually been toying with some theory.

Kira is Rozen's perfect doll, right? But she has no physical form.
I think, somehow or other, Kira was supposed to win, from the very beginning. The other dolls, the Rosa Mysticas and the Alice Game were all just tools in a plot to make her a reality. He is manipulating the other dolls into fighting, not fighting, or whatever's easiest for Kira to take the Rosa Mysticas.
Hence why Laplace and Kira have Souseiseki and Hina.

We don't know that though, because we're not really entirely sure how the Rosa Mysticas work.
Plus, how could he install them in something that has no physical form? (and further how could he create such a thing? *sweardrop*

Anyway, I think this is plausible, this would definitely be a very convenient plot device. Now, look, really, everyone knows that Shinku is going to become Alice just because she's the main character.
Or, Rozen Maiden could be cool, and break that with this,
plus, it's a nice excuse to make Kira insta-villan and have everyone beat up on her.
And then- the resolution to series, Kira goes down, finally, and in essence, Rozen is defeated. None of the remaining dolls becomes Alice.

I think it's the most fair. *shrug*

Anyway, of course, theory is still in beta. :p

That's very similar to what I was thinking, actually. Definitely plausible, and could make for an interesting third season.

Now if season three would hurry up and come, we could know if there's any truth to that. :pinch:

None of this is acceptable for a few major points:

If Rozen made Kira to become Alice, there would be no reason for him to revive the defeated maidens at the end of the second season. He even tells them there is another way to become Alice, other then the Alice game. Secondary, he tells Shinku that there is a way to revive Sousei Seki and Hina Ichogo. If Kira DOES in fact take Hina's body during the third season, guarentee you it has something to do with Suigin Tou bringing Hina's body into the N Field. This means she is just as dastardly as Bara.

Personally, I don't think Rozen intended the Alice Game to be the final means to find Alice. For one maiden to simply defeat the rest and claim victory means that the remaining doll is STILL imperfect! I stick with my theory that Alice was ment to become a real girl; thus meaning Shinku (the most likley, given Rozen's explanation of Alice) will become Alice. It make to much sence; she wishes not to fight, she protects those she loves, shes proper, sensative, and loving.

As I mentioned before: Father seems to have given Shinku much more attention then the rest of the dolls. In none of the flashbacks (not even the ones in Overature) was a doll names Kira mentioned or seen. (If she has been, I dont remember, sorry). It's most likley that Rozen wished SHINKU to become alice if anything.

Im still looking for a complete downloadable set of the Manga so this is still theory untill i find it. Untill then, this is what i belive :tongue:

...Shinku fanboys. Gah. -_-

That's a nice point, but he only revived the ones that Bara fucked up, right. We don't know if he was in part responsible for Kira possibly gaining Hina and Souey.
Again, we don't know just how this Rosa Mystica stuff works, so perhaps Kira needs the other Dolls to be alive and kicking in order to, like, become real, or whatever it is that she has to do.

I can totally see Shinku trying to convince Kira not to fight in the third season and repeating what Rozen said, and then Kira going, "Oh, that? That was a lie."

Well, duh- Get the Rosa Mysticas back, most likely. Howe else? Leads the other dolls right to Kira, provided she has them.

Pardon if I missed info, or skipped over who answered this(if so) but I'm just too lazy to read everything T_T

Hina Ichigo and Souseiseki lost the Rozen game legitly. Note that they were 'killed' by Shinku(Hina Ichigo) and Suigintou(Souseiseki) as for all the other Maiden's that were killed illegitly by Bara, she was never ment to take place in the Alice Game since for starters, she's a fake, and she was just there for Enju to prove he was better than Rozen.

Personally, with everyone else back to life.(except Bara) I wouldn't want Hina or Souseiseki back. It would ruin everything, popular characters or not.

The only problem I see with the whole Kirakishou meant to become alice is the fact that she worships Suigintou.

I can see Kira trying to kill Megu through out the season, seeing her as a leech on Suigintou, stopping her from becoming alice. She even offered her Rosa Mystica in exchange for killing Megu in the Manga, so I think it could happen.

good point ^^ here is my theory and other's on thie post that i have composed into one and this is my thought on this,

Kira was ment to be Alice ( note in the final episode of Traumend, she has no shoulder joints) so she was to powerful to contain without another mystica. so she hides out in the N-field more then likly locked away till a point in the Alice game. when Sou and Hina are defeated, Rozen Gave the ok to Laplace to let her out. but knowing Laplace he is gowing to want something from Kira in exchange for the mysticae her has in his posession. so when she does his dirty work she gets them from him. Father could have possibly only revived them because if they all died then Kira wouldn't be able to retain all the mysticae at once, as you can tell she is already a power house because of how she killed Hina in the Manga. If Kira was obsessed with Suig so she did want to free her from Megu in the Manag yes, but remember her little tactic? she wanted to seperate her from her medium. cutting off the power display she had agenst Bara and Shinku. with a medium, Suig would possibly massacre her and the other maidens if she had 2 Mysticae alone. as for how Kira gets Hina's body i agree. she will most likly send Suig to get Hina for her. in short the other peices have to be intact before the final peice is entered or it may not work right. think, why would he distribute the other dolls with THEIR OWN Mystica at first. unless the dolls influenced the power they gained on there own to begin with before they knew what they had, then each peice is delacate. she would have to go through the trouble of finding there spirits too because they know who ahd what and when. Rozen obviously had to make the items, maybe he just want to make check exerapents to see how easy it would be for her.


i could see Rozen as like a old man in a wheel chiar with Kira at his side at all times. she would possibly even Make Shinku try and just give her the Mystica on her own by tricking her, but that is more of a move on Kana. and if Shinku was the final peice to Rozen's puzzle then, his favoiteism for her was more of the possiblity that he may have Kira take Shinku's body instead at the end. for all we know the broach could have been like a tag when Kira was free to find her and know who to go up agenst.

this took me about an hour to sort through and i hope it makes semce X__X

so... Does anyone think that the 3rd season might not come out at all?

hate to be negative but... um... you know, there're no news lately...

i actually found out some grim news today.


Peach-Pit wrote and finished Rozen Maiden the Manga..... but there producer lost the manuscript for thr last portion of it. so they had to wrap up the ending pretty fast. in short Peach-Pit was TICKED!!!!

Do you have a source for this?

Seconded. Sauce please

someone told me on Youtube. i don't know if it was true but it seems to fit all the info i have. they had to finish the Manga against their will.

Shinku's taking a path of nonaggression/passivity to try and become Alice.

I don't see why it's not possible. Rozen never said the Alice Game was the ONLY way to do it, just that it was a way. Since the dolls couldn't think of anything else, that's all they had. Shinku wants to find that other path.

Rozen could not make a single doll and have her be Alice alone off the bat like that. You might even compare it to how people think of god and humans with their free will. Rozen designed every aspect of his dolls. He was unable to do this and create a perfection, probably because an aspect of Alice (at least, HIS Alice) requires their possessing something he could not design, something he had an idea of but couldn't get at directly.

The Rosa Mystica are the dolls' hearts, they contain their power, and also their memories. Presumably, it contains their minds, even if they are dormant and slave to whatever active Rosa Mystica possessing their original body owns that Rosa Mystica.

Someone who won the Alice game would have access to all the different qualities of the dolls. The dolls, by developing discretely, would be able to get attributes they may not have been able to develope concurrently, but once they are developed, they are combinable.

The thing is, to possess other people's traits, there are paths to that besides merging with their memories. One is friendship. They're already on that path, with Shinku leading the way. First she gave up some of her mediums' power to sustain Hina Ichigo who had attacked her, and then, to save the twins. She reaches out to Canaria and forgives Suigintou. I think this is like the path. As they become better friends, they learn moral lessons from one another, and appreciate qualities in the others they may not have otherwise. If each doll possesses an aspect of Alice, the doll to best embrace the strengths of the other dolls and sustain them would be the first to become Alice. If the dolls remain alive and no one collects all the Mystica, then that doll who understood the best would be the closest still.

I'm actually starting to wonder if Rozen actually intended for Alice to be created through the destruction of all but one doll. I'm starting to think this is impossible, it would require going back over his exact words and the dolls' interpretations of his statements to understand it better.

The Alice Game itself may be necessary to create Alice, but possibly the battles themself, and what happens between those battles, is actually what creates Alice, rather than winning them. Simply the Rosa Mystica don't seem adequate. Rozen created all the Rosa Mystica, so if he wanted to, he could simply group them together into a single doll in the first place. So why did he group them separately, and keep redesigning the doll to different looks?

The confusing part is how he laments the dolls as failures, but perhaps that is all a ruse to make the dolls feel low and aspire to evolve to impress him, to better themselves for that ideal. All the while, I think Rozen realizes that the doll's body has nothing to do with Alice (though of course he designs them to be pleasant looking) and the Roza Mystica themselves are mainly power sources and conduits similar to a human brain equivilent for the dolls, but what his true mission is is to watch free will and human-like traits develope in them.

Probably what he was missing, that he couldn't create into the Mystica, is that desire to NOT win the Alice Game, and to interact with the other Mysticae on a less linear level, to resonate with them and the experiences the different bodies and their different experiences over the centuries give them.

Perhaps there will be some way of in the probably-not-be-produced-3rd-season, that the remaining Rozen maidens will all team up on kirakishou and steal the roza mystica and put them back into Hina + Souseiseki =o

Thats a MAYBE. XD

i found it on wiki too,

I have actually heard from a source of mine that there is a third series but I'm yet to have proof from them so... ;-;

I've also heard the one about the manga being dropped but I'm not sure where ^^; I'll try and find that as well

Regarding the news: Some rumors that are floating around say that the series won't continue, while others say it will. There's no solid evidence in favor of either rumor, as far as I've seen.

For the "Theories" part:
If we take into consideration that:
-Jun is able to return souls to dolls, according to season 1
and
-Jun, like Rozen, is able to repair Rozen dolls

Then we can say that Jun has powers similar to Rozen Spoiler if you don't read the manga. Click at your own risk.[spoiler](The manga says Rozen is St. Germain, so the theories would be that Rozen is: an alchemist, an occultist, an immortal, a Theosophist at the level of Ascension, or a Rosicrucian... Well, that would explain his living for hundreds of years, living in N-Fields, and magic doll-making... But isn't St. Germain supposed to be insane?)[/spoiler], so he should be able to return their souls and Rosa Mystica to their bodies?

And for the "Hopes" part:
Well, first off, let me say I hope to see the third season before any other hopes are listed.

I seriously hope that we'll get to hear Rozen talk for once. The lack of voice is starting to annoy me. I want to know what he sounds like! Does Enju sound like him, too? Waiting is no fun! Also, I want to see Souseiseki and Hina Ichigo come back to life already... It's not like it can't happen, Rozen even said so! (Although Laplace giving the Rosa Mysticas to Kira may be a problem...) Also hoping for more epic battles, and preferably a demonstration of Kira's power, so I can stop wondering whether it will be rose vines or crystals...

A lot of people in modern society people will believe the darnest things...

You would not believe the amount of people who have told me that a third season is happening on certain dates, but the thing is each person has told me different dates and boasted about having a friend of a friend of a friend of theirs having 'connections' [I'm beginning to notice a pattern...].

So far I have heard about one being made in July, one being made in October, one being made in early January next year, a few being made over the course of the next few months etc. God, how many third seasons are there going to be? [sarcasm].

The fact that none of them had any proof and the only thing they're going off is this person's 'connections', makes it very suspicious. Especcially when I tell them that I've had about three million other people tell me the same thing with different dates.

What makes it worse, when I try to state my point, they don't listen. I am a very calculating person, I won't believe anything unless they give me proof. If I don't believe it, then they should leave me be! I'm entitled to my opinion, if I don't agree, bad luck.

I do wish for a third season, I really do! But I won't believe any of it without proof. I used to go searching for the proof to these stories, but now I don't. Because I know there isn't any.

That's my ramble. I'm just sick of these people.

Well for me....

An eight doll, who happens to have a dark past behind her, will appear to restore the two 'dead' dolls' Rosa Mysticae. But before that, a girl who entitles herself as Rozen's daughter, Alice, appears to the other dolls. And then the battle to become Alice begins.

I don't care about third season. I find the anime heretical :tongue: .

Sooo, when season 3 is made, you won't see it :tongue:


Now, what I want for season 3 is:
- Kirakishou, of course, but since Chibi-Ichigo is already dead, she'll be an actual doll, with actual body.
- LaPlace is revealed to be Rozen ( :tongue: )
- Suigin Tou-sama and Shinku get Sou's and Chibi's Rosae Mysticae
- Megu dies ( :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: ) and Suigin Tou-sama finds a much better medium
- Suisei Seki and Jun have a much better relationship
- Shinku tells Jun she's inlove with him
- Kanaria finaly gets to eat her fave fried eggs or whatever they are

I agree! I agree!

...

Such a shame it won't be coming anytime soon. :>.<:

Should it include "kneeling down and licking bitter drops of love" and "consuming the union before the cross" :lol: ?

[spoiler]I think season three was made already, but it was left somewhere in the n-field...
:sad: ... :omfsm: [/spoiler]

Rozen was:
-Jun's Father or ancestor or something like that
-Kun-kun's puppeteer; which makes kun-kun very popular to the maidens(specially Shinku)
-not St. Germain at all, maybe he looked like him that's why many assumed he was
-Part dead; he still has his mind, body and soul but
his heart was divided into the rosa mysticas
-had a daughter, Alice, but left him due to issues at Wonderland(Alice is quite a busy actress, having a very hectic schedule so she doesn't have enough time for daddy). So this makes Jun and Alice siblings, right?
+Alice disguised as Corrine, on second thought, no, I take it back.
-dead, okay I want him dead, but his soul remains for he wanted to see Alice again so dearly, he made dolls just to endure his feelings
-for the Alice game before since all he wanted was to see one Alice but he can't find it in them, but as he realizes that the were having sibling issues, he opposed it, maybe he remembered something, like fighting with his brother over his favorite chocolate bar brand, or his barbie doll along with ken™
-me.. :omfsm:

I'm afraid I'll be banned for this sooner or later. Hehe. I just want to raise some humor here.

So, because now manga is alive and looks like funanime is not going to kill they Rozen Maiden website.. i got bad feelings about new season :) IT MUST COME!:D i'm very maniac fan of this anime.

EDIT: The last dvd volume 3 is released just 2 mouths ago in dec 2008! so it just matter of time when new come :D