So, in the finale of Traumend, Father told Shinku that there were other ways in which she could become Alice. Got an theories as to what these other ways might be?

Personally, I don't think there is any way to become Alice. You can only be yourself, after all. Although if I had to guess, I'd say it might be something like willingly giving your Rosa Mystica to another - say, Shinku giving her Rosa Mystica to Souseiseki, after she lost hers. Just a thought. Self-sacrificing is so noble, etc etc.

• raffle
• popular election
• trivial pursuit tournament
• blackmail

If its the first one, Kanaria will win, because she'll rig the raffle
If its the second one, Suiseiseki will win, because practically everyone online knows her for her annoying "desu!" catchphrase
If its a trivial pursuit tournament...actually, I'm not sure who would win that one...
If its blackmail, Suigintou will win, because she kidnaps people >D

Maybe they could settle it with a tea-drinking contest...or a catchphrase shouting match...

Maybe it requires love of a human and err... procreating an offspring XD ?

Well, in my fanfic...

[spoiler]...the one who becomes Alice is the one who refuses to fight. Even if she is killed, she will become Alice if she understands that the Perfect Girl would never harm a sister.[/spoiler]

Naturally, the most intelligent of the Rozen Maiden dolls, Hinaichigo.

LOL, raffle xD

Reminds me of that comic where they were playing Life to decide who becomes Alice... xD

I like Rose Crystal's method. It's pretty complicated though...

In my fanfic, it's
[spoiler]developing a bond with a human and discovering the things that truly matter in life (and other totally sappy, cliche things)[/spoiler]

I beg to differ. Why would Father tell Shinku of other ways to become Alice right after two of her sisters have fallen?! :huh:

I think it's because most of the dolls are no longer willing to participate in Alice Game.

Plus, there is the whole shock of seeing a Rosa Mystica for the first time, and Barasuishou's involvement shows that the Alice Game can be played by those who aren't Rozen Maiden, as well. They might not be able to become Alice, but they can still claim Rosa Mystica as a prize and generally disrupt things.

I wonder what would happen if Megu would get all Rosa Mistica...
Would she become Alice?

Megu is already pretty enough. XD;

Still, that'd be an interesting twist to the series...Shinku wins all the Rosa Mystica, as she is obviously going to do (stupid MCS...) and then gives them to Suigintou to give to Megu...

Hey, don't diss the main character D;

Dude... that'd be like an amazing twist. Then Megu is healed (I don't think she'd "become Alice", since she's not a doll?), and all the dolls live happily? Huh...

If she would win all the Rosa Mystica, then Suigintou would become inactive. Also:
1. She would have to kill her sisters.
2. She would have to decide that Megu is more important than her sisters.

Without Rosa Mystica?

Oh, uh. xD

I-I DON'T KNOW

Maybe all feed off Jun powah? XD IDK. -dies-

We don't actually know if Megu would be healed if she got the Rosa Mystica. My guess is, Bara Bara made the whole thing up, to make Suigin Tou's will to participate to the Alice Game stronger. I think if Megu took all the Rosa Mystica, that'd kill her like it happened with Bara Bara, and then me and Gin-sama would live happily ever after...No, seriously, I think the Rosa Mystica would destroy whoever took them, except for the Rozen Maidens.


Now, about the other way of becoming Alice...I don't think there's a way of becoming Alice. I believe Alice Game is something like a test. And why did Rozen decide to tell Shinku about this other way when 2 of his dolls were "dead" ?
If there was indeed another way, I'd say is giving up your Rosa Mystica to protect your sister (something that Sui would do for Sou)

Hey, no one said that the other way of becoming Alice is for Shinku :happy: . She may discover that the another way of becoming Alice is what Kira does in manga :D .
After all, Kira was the latest design and she is very different from the other dolls.

I think the only way to become Alice is for one of the dolls to become human, so they would really be Rozen's daughter, but that's just my thought process.

I know, I didn't say this other way is for Shinku only. But Im wondering why it was Shinku the one Rozen told about this other way. Why not Gin-sama,or Sui ?? Or better, they should all be awake and listen about the other way.
What Kira does in the manga...You mean eating her sisters or killing their mediums :P But I think Kira wants Gin-sama to become Alice.
Thats true. But still, Rozen wasn't pleased with her.

Maybe he's simply deceiving Shinku.

Do you really believe her? Kira said things for to Suigintou, but she seem to be very good at using deception and dirty tricks. Notice that she talks about giving her Rosa Mystica to Gin-sama and all her sisters.
It's quite possible that she really doesn't need a Rosa Mystica and it's even more possible that if Suigintou would accept it, she would end up like Hinaichigo.

I don't know. Let's remember that she isn't in her final form and that she has some alternative way of becoming Alice. I suspect that she was designed to be able to feed on people.

Yes !! And then, Gin will find the other way, and everyone will be happy :happy: But I don't know, how twisted can Rozen be ? We need a 3rd season, dang it !!

You know, I never got the whole "Kira is obsessed with Gin" thing. Just because she offered to her her Rosa Mystica ? My guess, she probably did it because she knew Gin-sama would do anything to get a Rosa Mystica, so that's the easiest way to deceive her.
I don't think she'd end up like Hina. Gin-sama is smarter than Hina, and she could probably defend herself. Though I'm not sure if she'd win a battle against Kira.

Rozen is more twisted than I thought *prefers the anime version*

If there's any other way besides the one of Kira.

Yeah, it's written in teh internets but I don't think it's a good interpretation of manga.

That's why she didn't accept it :D .

Well, it appears that he wants to have a perfect girl at all cost. *prefers the manga version*

Well, since Kira's appearance in the anime was about 7 seconds, and the manga doesn't mention another way besides the Alice Game(except if really Kira's method is another way of becoming Alice), I suspect there's another way.

I ment I prefered the anime's version of Rozen, not the whole anime version. The manga is more complicated and dark, and that's why I love it ^__^

I prefer the manga version of Rozen. He is more distant and more creepy.

And we know his true identity (Count of St.Germain). Well, unlike his anime self, he didn't reject Gin-sama, so I suppose he's slightly better than the anime one :tongue:

In my own words, the "other" way to become Alice is...

[spoiler]Alice will appear to the dolls and tell them that they have to defeat her. And if they did, their they could become Alice with no harm of the other sisters![/spoiler]

@Sousei's Clone [spoiler]But if Alice already exists, what's the meaning of the fight ?? Can't she just go to Rozen ?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Hm... well... Rozen doesn't accept this 'Alice', because he will make the eighth doll, most likely, the one that is Alice. After Alice's depression she decides to find the Alice that Rozen was looking for and defeat her. But if she is the one that gets defeated, the true Alice will be revealed. [/spoiler]

Good golly, I have high hopes.

Oh, I see :happy:

It isn't his true true identity :biggrin: . He's over 2000 years old. Which means that he probably was born 8000 years ago in central Anatolia :lol: .

Well, the manga says so. But I think they said another name later, which I don't remember :erm:

He had many names as he pretended to be multiple people through history.

I think Rozen is looking for the wrong person(?)/doll at the wrong place. He should be searching in Wonderland. Really, is there any other way than that?

I wonder why he isn't looking for Dorothy :biggrin: .

Psh, he doesn't want an imaginary Alice, he wants a real alice, like Liddell.

:lol:
I bet he was a pedo, just like Lewis Carroll :glare: .

I believe another way to become Alice would be to fall in love with a human. I think the love between Shinku and Jun is amazing, because Shinku is so.. shy of it? I've only seen the Anime but they hint alot, i love it.

And correct me if i'm wrong, When one of the Rozen Maiden dolls become Alice do they become a real girl? I think this would be really good for Jun :) Because Shinku and Jun love each other.

[spoiler]if the other way was what Kira is doing, than what that would mean is that Kira would be in fact winning. Remember, she has both Sou's and Hina's bodies... She technically has more in worth than the other ones, but it seems that The Mystica would be the only way to do it while getting something out of it[/spoiler]