"Midi:Nette almost went completely bankrupt during that era (late MM)."

Rumor?
True?

:shadowx:

On scape we were talking about the financial status of MN and if thats also the reason for the M+A problems etc.

...

Any infos?

According to Gackt's Autobiography there were multiple times they went bankrupt or almost went bankrupt which also caused several verges of break ups. I know not everyone might believe everything Gackt says, and it is good to form your own opinion or belief upon what another person says...but I do think hes one of the closest resources we can possibly get our hands on to knowing the things that went on in Midi: Nette and with Malice Mizer.

Although, to say that past problems are reasons why Midi: Nette is having problems now is a bit of a misleading statement to say since nobody has any proof of that one...

No, I didnt mean that the past problems would do anything with this now.

I have just the german short version of Gakus bio- but I agree with you.

It wouldn't surprise me either way that they had financial difficulty.
They we're on an independent label, its bound to be hard.
The band did many things themselves, and levels of publicity, production and image varied greatly over the years...

I don't think it's an excuse for things that are happening now.

Yeah, going indie can sometimes break up wonderful bands.....
Just like Psycho Le Cemu. After their vocalist (Daishi) became a drugie, their label droped them, and it influenced their break up.

MM were pioneers of the VK world so it would make sense that they would go through some major ups and downs.

aside from m+a being slow/dead-ish, what are the other problems m:n is having now? i wasn't aware of any, but then again i'm not exactly "in the know"...

Theres really nothing in particular, as far as I'm aware.
The only financial difficulties I've ever truly heard of with Midi: Nette were during Malice Mizer times.

As far as Midi: Nette complications right now are concerned, with the way things are going I don't think it has anything to do with money or any "new problems". I think things are going bad in general due to poor instruction, possibly staffing problems/lack of saff(?), and general slowness. I think Mana probably gives himself too many responsibilities to deal with that he doesn't want anyone else to touch and thus staffing and instruction on jobs end up lacking. Thats just my take on it, though. XD I wonder if any other Midi: Nette staff has ever addressed Mana on the issue, or if he takes it all into his own hands and doesn't let anyone else say anything about the things that he does.

I mean, there IS a possibility something like that goes on. It reminds me of when I was in high school, I had this choir director who wasn't very good at multitasking, so his ONLY focus was on music and everything else needed to keep a program going strong lacked severely. There was an assistant director in the class as well, but he never took her input because he thought of himself as a real artist and didn't need the help of anyone else. The sad part is, even my mom stepped in on it (she was the choir president) and straightened him out during her time of presidency in the choir, but after she left everything just turned for the worst again and now the program is basically falling apart. It always sort of annoyed me that he would act like the nicest guy to his students and their parents, like he REALLY cared about the music and everything else, but when you really knew what was going on inside the program he didn't seem so great anymore. XD

Not saying Mana puts up a front like that, but it goes to show you how some people can start to go over their heads with the whole "artist" part and completely ignore their other responsibilities to keep things working right.

Midi: Nette staff member: "But Mana Sama, you have too much to do! Here, let me hepl you...."

Mana: :mana: (icy cold stare of death)

Midi: Nette staff member: "BWAHH!!! I'm sorry Mana Sama, I'll never, ever do that again!!!" (turns on heel and throws self out window)

You made me LOL so hard XD~

Cause somehow that could realy be true.

But I - and I think we all - understand Mana. I also wouldnt let anyone touch my business. Maybe thats a bad habit, but I cant stand people "join the team" at any projects or even when I cook at home.

Alone alone alone. Then nothing can go wrong.
:ph43r:

Isn't Mana currently working on something though?
He said in his Aesthetics that he's working on something "underground" or something like that?

As for M+A, Yeah its slow, but sometimes the Japanese fans get theirs, but its even longer again for us because it has to be translated. Maybe that the issue at the moment for M+A.

Yeah, but wasn't that petty long ago?

Sure, he's doing _something_ - I dont think he's just being somewhere doing nothing ^^

<33 :mana:

For M+A - I think, IF he had a translator, we would get our translations. Its not the problem to translate a text like the madousho from one language to another if you can them ^^
Since the last few (or just one) translations were ... a bit poor in quality I think he haven't found his translator yet [but sill I wonder _what happened_ to the previous... <.<]
But I dont know where is the problem to send the madoushos to all fans, not just JP. The only problem - i think - could be the money... or maybe he hates us all ;_; </3

No no ... lets wait and trust Mana-Sama.

If it has ANYTHING to do with money, its the fact that hes just not paying his employees well. XDD

I'm with Izumi, the current Midi: Nette problems probably have a lot to do with the fact that Mana is working on a lot of other projects now instead of focusing on anything to do with Moi dix Mois or his fanclub. Its really a pitty...he needs to learn to balance all these things if hes going to keep them up and people continue to pay money for it. :/

I wonder what happened to the old translator too... Probably got a better job offer. XDDDD

I still unfortunately have no hard feelings towards him. I just get frustrated and irritated sometimes, but I think I speak for all of us when I say that...even the Japanese fans get upset about this stuff, so we're definitely not alone. :/

I'm sure it is possible back in the MM days. The level and quality of production they put into their live shows had to have been extremely costly. In fact, one of the first times I watched one of their performances, I remember thinking that even doing really well, it had to have been hard to make much money. It is expensive for any band to put on shows and with everything MM put into their shows it had to have cost a fortune. Of course, it all paid off for them later, I'm sure, but I could definitely see that being a possibility at the time. I don't know about M:N but what about MmM? I have seen some of their stuff marked down on some sites lately and I wondered if it meant trouble there as well? Or is that fairly common? I try not to look at the prices much when I look at MmM because even marked down I can't afford it!
T_T

Its sad that he (needs to?) will close the hiro. shop...
</3

No matter how well he does his make up, no matter how pretty he looks, no matter how lolita his outfits are....


Mana is a man, therefore..... Multi-tasking is a non-existent concept in his world....

i'm a man and i can multitask like nobodies bidnizzz!!!!

besides, you forgot the part where mana has nine sets of hands and eyes in the back of his head XD

I understand that totally if he can't multitask, because my multitasking skills are about 10 times worse than any man's. XDDDD

But the point is, being able to multitask or not, there is no excuse to ignore things such as Mon+Amour. If he needs to bring in more staff, then thats what he needs to do. Or an even more reasonable choice (not that I would want to EVER see this happen) is that maybe if he can't handle it, he should shut down a few things. I mean, if Mon+Amour is his very last priority on the list and hes running away with everyone's money and not giving us the value of what we paid, should shutting down the fan club be an option he should look at? Right now it feels like hes not doing anything about it, hes not even sending us emails apologizing for late Madoushos, when you KNOW that could be done in the very least.

I'm not saying I'm against the fan club because I'm all for Mon+Amour. Its something I take a very personal pride in...but in the sake of Mana's interest and not jipping us all out of money, what would be the smart business move for him to make? :/ I would obviously rather him take the course to put in more effort into finding more staff that would be able to keep Mon+Amour updated, but even if that did take a long time...perhaps if Mana isn't going to do anything about Mon+Amour and not even explain to us whats going on then maybe we all deserve refunds or something.

I think the same thing goes with other projects too. I can understand him leaving alone Moi dix Mois for a while, because there aren't financial expectations stringed to it at least on our end...we're not PAYING for Moi dix Mois to stay together XD
But like someone else already said...What about Moi-meme-Moitie? Whats going on there?? I think he probably has Moitie a little more under control since it came to his attention that he needs to shut down the Hiroshima Moitie...but beyond that, I wish we could understand his tactics behind Moitie. Not long ago I requested a pair of socks on CDJapan (apparently you CAN special order from them) from Moitie. About two days later I receive an email from CDJapan saying Moitie wont even sell the socks to them! These aren't particularly special socks by any means. Not only that, they were already selling them on CDJapan before but they went out of stock once and now they're back up. We also haven't seen an update of new items on ANY of the other international websites as well...so could there be something more going on behind that too?

This is what I mean by there needs to be more balance. I think as consumers who are a big part of why Midi: Nette even stays afloat, we should be able to have some sort of understanding on what Mana is doing with his "projects"...
At this point I really can't excuse not being able to multitask, because there are problems he really needs to fix, or at least SOMEONE within Midi: Nette needs to look at. ):

Mana's silence about the extent of his somewhat obvious problems is really annoying at this stage. He can't not guess we're wondering what's going on, so why not be more explicit about it?

I wonder if he'll post a new message next week, after the closing-down event in Hiroshima.

Still I can't resent him, because I'll miss him and his music so much if he has to put an end to MdM altogether T_T

Your post somehow made me sad, Sarah



I didnt want to realize that its so ... extreme. Everywhere poeple are starting to ... hate Mana?
They are mad.

But dont you think Mana has a reason that it is like it is?



I do.

And I dont care how long it will take.

mana mana mana... someday you will be old and your songs won't be catchy anymore and your hair won't stick up so straight (or -gasp- it might all be gone!!) and noone will be left paying $$$ to be in your fan club or wear your clothes.

so be nice to us while we're still here for you!!!!

Maybe he is kind of person that just can leave everything without telling anything. Maybe he doesn't want to tell us what is wrong with him or with his company. Maybe he is tired of everything. We have to admit we don't know ANYTHING about his private life and about his personality so we can't say what is wrong with him especially when he doesn't tell us anything. We know him as Mana but actually he is Mana only at concerts and photoshoods. When he comes back home, he isn't Mana. He is a tallented man that probably has his own family, his feelings... you know musicians and artists are such people that must have inspiration to do something. If they don't have it they can do nothing related with art for months. And the main reason why they don't do anything is "I HAVE NO INSPIRATION".

WORD

thats been my biggest fear...

well, i may sound selfish and also i'm in risk that some of you hates me, but my opinion is...

Mana should leave EVERYTHING but MdM and MmM, i think he must close M+A cause it seems he can't control it anymore and before lots of fans lost their money in it or stay owing Madoushos all over the world, he must close it... to tell the truth i've never been agreed to the fact or paying to be a fan of Mana, i know M+A is a way to keep his fans closer to him but he must realize is not fair of those fans who can't join M+A, i know i want to join M+A because of the privileges you have... but if someone asks me i'd prefer he just stop the request to M+A fans, give the Madoushos or anything to those who owes and finally close M+A as an oficial fanclub, so if M+A members still want to keep it they take the responsability to administrate it...

and please M+A's don't hate me to say this, if we think about it, not everything's bad, the whole Madoushos and pendants M+A already has will be more than collectibles cause it would stay to memories of when Mana used to have an oficial fanclub that no one else but a certein part of persons and generation has...

As for my opinion, even if most of the people think Mana is a business man, i think he's first of all an artist and so it seems he's not as good in business as it seemed...

and i'd prefer he keeps on touring and making music than any other thing he could ever do, even than moities... Mana should start to think about his priorities if he hasn't yet, and if M+A is not his priority is understandable cause he's much more than a famous person that must keep his popularity being good with his fans, to tell the truth, i'd still buy his cds and go to his concerts if he'd say he hate his fans, because i care about his art much more before than his person (or the person he want us to see...)

also, if it seems Mana's priority is not making grow his fashion design industry so decides to sacrifice a MmM store, i understand it again cause before producing artist, open M+A, open MmM, Mana was only a whole time musician with his band, nothing else... and he has said lots of times that music is his entire life so i don't think he ever leave it...

to finish my boring commentary i say, i remmember he said in june aesthetic that he was concentrated in a project ne? so i can't wait to see what would be it... and the person he calls the especiallist...

and about the inspiration...if that's the reason, that must be horrible, it's not fair when you stay long time without inspiration, that means yr getting empty... :/ i really hope that's not Mana's case...

I am always discouraged by bands that force you to pay cash to join their fan club.
It always happens when the band gets popular....
For example--Rammstein. I was a member of their fan club since I was 6 years old.
As soon as they became really popular global wide, they charged $ to be a part of their "Rammstein community." X(

NONE OF US HATE MANA SAMA!!!
Were just a bit peeved!

No, NONE OF US HATES MANA-SAMA!
Not even iSynth who said VERY cruel things (I do hope Mana doesn't read some of our posts!).
The day he says "quit" is the day we'll have to part too, so let's hope it doesn't happen in a near future.
He is unique, and so is his music, so just like you all I wish is that he keeps MdM going at all costs. If he can't manage the rest, well let him dump it and concentrate on his musical skills!

me?? riiiggghhtt sista *rolls eyes*

@iSynth : So you thought you were going to get away with it, eh? (laughs)

You are horrible but I like and understand you, believe it or not!

You too will experience decay, so please don't play it so smart, and don't push our darling one-and-only Mana over the edge, ok?

Don't ever change though : you're naturally horrible but it suits you, hehehe!

wtf??

This is no answer : "wtf??" is lazy gangsta language and if I can speak English when it's not my native language, so should you! (choking with laughter)

Look I don't want to fight so seriously drop it.

Maybe there are differences since you aren't a native speaker, but typically people don't say "You're horrible" and get any response besides "What The Fuck. " Even in joking. You went too far.

Also, please note my avatar... clearly, I am gangsta. Has this not been established? ;)

:o EVERYONE STOP ARGUING!!! Bitte mach schnell!
Moar luv, less fight.

I agreed.

Everyones got this rumour going Midi:Nette's gone bust and then taking the rumor so seriously.


Ich mag Drama nicht. >_<

Ok this topic started out as a question from Midi:Nette's Financial situation during the days of Malice Mizer. Considering they're a tiny speck on the world of music's planet, lets just say yeah it probably was hard for them.

As for now..... Nobody know except the people involved with them.


AS FOR FIGHTING..... STOP!
*Izumi has spoken*

Agreed.

I apologizing for opening such a big can of worms in my post. XD I'm not against them or claiming any rumors or anything....It was just possibilities of what could happen since the question was about financial status and such.

I'm going to close this thread to prevent further/future debate since a lot of people seem to be taking in personal feelings about it. But for the record, I don't think any of us meant any harm towards Midi: Nette. We all still love Mana, right? I think people are just getting a little frustrated with current happenings and such and perhaps too much is arising from it.