Title: Sexuality
Kazzeh - May 12, 2006 11:00 AM (GMT)
I've read most of the threads (busy body like that =D) here and I've read somewhere that someone asked what his sexuality was. They were given the answer that it is hinted that he may be A-sexual. Personally, sexual oreintation doesn't bother me at all (I'm pan-sexual myself) but I've just kind of always wondered. Anyone got any speculations or actually know how he floats? ^^; Thanks.
ManaVampire - May 12, 2006 08:48 PM (GMT)
He's never really said, except hes hinted towards A-sexual back in Malice Mizer days, but since Malice Mizer Mana has changed a lot. To Mana, gender doesn't matter (and hes tried to make this very clear in recent interviews in Germany) so many people assume hes bi, but the thing is, you never hear him speak of guys the same way he does girls-- Talking about what he would look for in a girl friend and such. Its kinda hard to explain, but I personally think just from reading things Mana says in his aesthetics and on Mon+Amour that he'd like to have a more friendxfriend relationship with more guys. Some how it seems Mana isn't interested very much in relationships of any sort other than friends. Perhaps hes just waiting to find the right person in his life?
Kazzeh - May 13, 2006 01:37 AM (GMT)
Thanks for your reply. From the information given, he does kind of sound like he is just waiting for the right person.
Thanks again.
DanielValentine - June 8, 2006 02:37 PM (GMT)
I have heard that he has a possible crush on Mylene Farmer.
EGL - June 12, 2006 12:53 PM (GMT)
what do you mean by a-sexual?
Anywho as everyone said no one knows but things are leaning towards straight(just love to do fanserivcie in the Malice Mizer days lol)
ManaVampire - June 12, 2006 05:06 PM (GMT)
@ DanielValentine- Personally, I think he has a little celebrity crush on her, but its not like he could ever have her since shes married. xD;
@ EGL- A-sexual, as in not having an interest in romantic relationships.
Manic Macabre - September 14, 2006 03:13 AM (GMT)
I also heard on your website that Mana really gets exited around other males and it makes him happy being around them. that sounds really cool, since i'm a guy too. it makes me wish i could meet him and shake his hand. ( stares into space )
Seraphinite - October 9, 2006 01:47 PM (GMT)
I'd certainly think he's straight, people who prefer/preferred feminine
looks are attracted to the same look themselves.
But this topic has interested me for some time mainly because i seem
to have a hero-crush on him, as wicked as it seems and i've never
liked a guy before :rolleyes:
On the other hand, if some more of his interests were to be known
perhaps it would be easier for him to find more friends, because
as of now i don't think he hangs out anywhere or atleast isn't known to.
ManaVampire - October 13, 2006 12:35 AM (GMT)
ahh Mana has a lot of friends and hangs out at a lot of places. I don't think he has to worry too much about more friends..although, it would be nice for all of us if he COULD be our friend..but then again, it always boils down to just dreaming. ):
Seraphinite - October 13, 2006 01:06 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ManaVampire @ Oct 12 2006, 06:35 PM) |
| ahh Mana has a lot of friends and hangs out at a lot of places. I don't think he has to worry too much about more friends..although, it would be nice for all of us if he COULD be our friend..but then again, it always boils down to just dreaming. ): |
Bah, i mean online :D
although how do i know, i don't speak japanese B)
Kinsao - October 18, 2006 12:45 PM (GMT)
I think it's impossible to know Mana's sexual orientation... I've always been inclined to think he's straight, but that could be just because it would seem like such a massive cliché for such a feminine-looking pretty guy to actually be gay! lol... Well, I think he appreciates feminine beauty, as someone says, and in some MM interviews he did seem to say quite normally about the things that he'd look for in a girl, etc...
Or it could just be because I have a mental picture of him and Közi couch-potatoing in front of horror videos and eating curry. :lol: ... since they both share those same likes... :rolleyes:
Miki78 - October 19, 2006 05:56 AM (GMT)
I had a pic of Mana Sama and Kozi holding hands on a TV show but i can't remeber where i put it :huh:
Kinsao - October 19, 2006 02:25 PM (GMT)
Aww bless! *_* -goes all fangirlish- ... hehe, not really... ^^... but it is sweet though. :P Mind you, I've a vid where Közi and Haruhiko are walking along arm in arm but I somehow doubt they're a couple... :unsure: :lol:
Manic Macabre - October 19, 2006 07:50 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Miki78 @ Oct 18 2006, 11:56 PM) |
| I had a pic of Mana Sama and Kozi holding hands on a TV show but i can't remeber where i put it :huh: |
seriously? cool. hmmmm....Malice Mizer yaoi....I still get bad flashbacks from this doujinshi I read of a Mana X Gackt pairing. I have no problem with yaoi, but that doujinshi gave me the shivers. anyway, my crazy friend wants to now draw Mana X K yaoi. should I be afraid?
changelingVI - October 28, 2006 03:22 PM (GMT)
this may be off-topic, but i've always wondered...what is difference between pansexual and bisexual?
Seraphinite - October 31, 2006 07:44 AM (GMT)
The notion of bisexuality is dependent on the concept of binary gender, as in male and female.
Pansexuality means the person could be also interested in all the other theoretical genders.
I say theoretical because it's debatable whether transgenderism really did spawn a "third gender" of sort.
Manic Macabre - October 31, 2006 08:37 PM (GMT)
hmmmm....interesting. I never knew that before.
Acacialazuli - September 8, 2007 05:59 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Seraphinite @ Oct 31 2006, 01:44 AM) |
The notion of bisexuality is dependent on the concept of binary gender, as in male and female. Pansexuality means the person could be also interested in all the other theoretical genders. I say theoretical because it's debatable whether transgenderism really did spawn a "third gender" of sort. |
amen.
It makes me feel very sad when people get upset that some people think Mana-sama could be gay. There's nothing wrong with being gay, though I personally don't think he is, I don't think he's bothered about giving that impression. I would still love him even if I were not the sex he preferred.
I think the kind of eroticism he projects is beautiful and awesome and I don't think he lies when he says his music comes from the heart. I think his identity and sexuality are far richer than most labels can describe.
Astral Romance - September 10, 2007 02:15 PM (GMT)
It doesn't matter Mana loves girls or boys. I think that Mana wouldn't be very happy to see this topic about his sexuality... All in all music is the most important think Mana does for all of us and in my opinion song sound doesn't change at all if its writter is bisexual person, gay or not. :unsure:
ManaVampire - September 10, 2007 05:47 PM (GMT)
I don't think it would particularly upset him. I'm sure hes quite aware that people do wonder a lot of things about him, including his sexuality, so having a discussion about it..I can't quite image that being offensive. Besides, I think Mana would be happy to know we talk both about him and his music equally. It shows interest in his character and seeing as he is about both views-- music and appearance. I mean, its not like he sits there and talks about his music 100% of the time anyway.
I think its interesting to hear views about his sexual preference. In a way, its nice to hear what he thinks about it..how he feels gender should have no definition, even in cases of love and relationships. It shows his open-mindedness.
Astral Romance - September 10, 2007 07:14 PM (GMT)
But only Mana and his friends know what he really like to talk about and what we don't. We are only fan and we can't be sure about one or another thing Mana likes or dislikes(if he doesn't want that we would know). Mana doesn't talk about himself a lot we even don't know his REAL name and age. So it is very hard to talk about his sexuality preferences and his minds when(if) he reads this topic^^. lol. It's just my minds... :rolleyes:
Izumi - September 10, 2007 09:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Astral Romance @ Sep 10 2007, 08:14 PM) |
| But only Mana and his friends know what he really like to talk about and what we don't. We are only fan and we can't be sure about one or another thing Mana likes or dislikes(if he doesn't want that we would know). Mana doesn't talk about himself a lot we even don't know his REAL name and age. So it is very hard to talk about his sexuality preferences and his minds when(if) he reads this topic^^. lol. It's just my minds... :rolleyes: |
True.
But, If you read some interviews with Mana, He sort of sways to tell you what he finds interesting about girls... but in order to counter his mysteriousness, he'll also touches up on what he thinks is important in a man's personality.
From what I've read, he seems to like the fact that he gets more male interest in his band in Europe, not necessarily as a romantic interest. Whereas, he's said, vaguely, in other interviews what he likes in girls.
As for his comments about liking to be around other males, whatever sex you are, isn't it nice to sometimes be around your own, and talk about things that really only they could understand? It doesn't make him gay or necessarily bisexual.
Mana does tells us what he likes and dislikes, over the years he's gradually become more open about himself, but in the way he sees fit and that doesn't encroach on his privacy.
And if your Mon+Amour, it's like a whole new world. Seriously. I know, because I haven't long joined and I'm like * :D * about everything I've found out.
And as for our little man not liking this topic... I'm sure he'd have a chuckle about it XD
ManaVampire - September 11, 2007 01:38 AM (GMT)
Izumi is exactly right. I couldn't have put it better myself. If you were in Mon+Amour, you would find a whole new world within Mana where he does talk a lot about his personal life. Just because you don't know one thing about him as a fan, doesn't mean other fans don't. I just think its a bit presumptuous to sit there and say the only people who can ever know are his friends and family. That could be true on some subjects, but not others. I don't think Mana's sexual preference is necessarily considered one of those things you could particularly categorize under who and who doesn't know as other things such as his name and age are.
Even so, its like I said, even if Mana doesn't tell us things directly like "Well I'm straight" even though we can assume something like that, it doesn't make us any better or worse as fans. We simply would like to discuss our views on it no matter our degree of fandom. Who cares if we'll never know? Its still fun to discuss it and think about possibilities. Nobody got anywhere in life without a little theory, oppinions of others, and research.
Acacialazuli - September 11, 2007 07:09 AM (GMT)
I agree with Izumi and Sarah on that. I've been learning alot about him and it is fascinating.
and speaking of theories, I was pondering a bit of Manasexuality theory with Ludivine earlier and I think that those of us who like Mana-sama are really manasexuals because Mana-sama is unique and has presented himself as a place beyond traditional conceptions of male and female. Therefore, I think, liking Mana-sama does not "make" a guy gay, nor is it a particularly straight thing for a girl because in order to be gay you'd have to be the same thing as Mana-sama is and to be straight you'd have to be the opposite. I may be a girl, but I cannot consider my attraction to Mana-sama to be a heterosexual one because I'm not the opposite to him, I'm more just somewhere alongside. And for the boys who are attracted to him, I don't think it means you're gay because to mean that you'd have to be the same gender and I think Mana is Mana-sama's sex.
Well, I'm just goofing around, but it's a fun theory, anyway...Maybe Sarah will come back and say that Mana is just a "normal guy" after all. Maybe so, but it's not "normal" Mana I'm into, it's the icon and the icon is more angelic than male or female...imho...
Astral Romance - September 11, 2007 07:15 AM (GMT)
I would like to be Mon Amour member but i don't have enough money T.T. I understood that we are just from other cultures and my minds seems crazy to you and yours strange to me. That's why it is. I don't think that i would be good if i were discusing with you more at this topic :huh: . It is the truth that i find Mana- Sama in different way and understand him differently. Ok, i don't speak anymore because my English is still bad ?XDD. What about sexuality I am asexual that's why it doesn't matter for me what is Mana's sexuality :P .
Astral Romance - September 11, 2007 07:19 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Acacialazuli @ Sep 11 2007, 01:09 AM) |
| because Mana-sama is unique |
I think the same.
Izumi - September 11, 2007 12:56 PM (GMT)
Unfortunately, Manasexual is not a true definition or a sexuality type (though it would be most humorous, if it was on Wikipedia one day XD)
From what Mana has said in the past, he's clearly leaning towards Androgyny. He's stated that he believes that it should not matter what gender you are be a means to how you should live.
ie. He sees nothing wrong in wearing skirts... as women can get attention for it, then why can't he? (Though I'm not sure if he's referring to sexual attention, but girls wearing skirts don't always attract sexual attention, you simply can look at someone because the outfit suits them etc...) That is just one example of what hes said...
He knows that his body is physically male, but he clearly knows he possesses feminine traits, and to be honest I think he likes that.
How far he goes into the concept of Androgyny, I can't determine, but I think he identifies with both genders a lot.
This doesn't affect his sexuality at all.
EDIT: Or anyone else's for that matter, because you are either identifying with that male or female quality in him (or even both)
It amazing how the mind works in such instances
As for comments of Mon+Amour, and what we get to learn about him, it is unfortunate that we cannot discuss anything about what we know, however this is not done out of spite and elitism. Its just it costs us a lot of damn money to get that information, but its well worth it!! XD
Acacialazuli - September 11, 2007 03:00 PM (GMT)
Allein Ist Die Neshama Rein, ("Alone, the Soul Remains Pure"). ...
it may be that "manasexual" is just a joke, but it is also true that our species has greater gender variety than most of us want to think. In the US 1 out of 100 babies are born significantly intersexed. Not that Mana-sama is like that, but it's an example of how much more complex the picture of human sexuality is.
It is so that Mana-sama's gender does not affect his sexuality, however, it does affect ours because by responding to the elements we do respond to, our minds also take in and associate those aspects we might not have previously responded to. For me, I am at this point in my life almost completely asexual, but Mana-sama does challenge that..."Passionate kiss, wakes me up..."
Izumi - September 11, 2007 04:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Acacialazuli @ Sep 11 2007, 04:00 PM) |
| It is so that Mana-sama's gender does not affect his sexuality, however, it does affect ours because by responding to the elements we do respond to, our minds also take in and associate those aspects we might not have previously responded to. |
True. But I don't believe this to be the case with all of Mana's fan-base and followers etc.
Or towards anybody else like who is like Mana, with a combination or both male and female attributes.
I think most of the time its down to preference.
Myself as an example... I like Mana either way. I am not a lesbian, nor am I bisexual. As acceptance of my own sexuality, I am straight. When I see Mana as a girl he does not make me question if I like females over males.
People argue about how human relationships works, but at the end of the day, it is all down to looks first. Its how we work as animals and as mammals.
Different faces, body shapes whatever attract different people. Its not like we have any real control over it.
Whether or not this happens with sexuality, I do not know, but I do honestly believe its more preference based than sexuality based.
Though please don't think I'm saying your wrong, because your not... I'm just trying to bring a different view point :)
General - September 11, 2007 04:24 PM (GMT)
I wish i would not have missed so much of this convo, i would realy have liked to state my opinions but they have all been taken and stated perfectly.
:(
Ludivine - September 11, 2007 04:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (General @ Sep 11 2007, 12:24 PM) |
I wish i would not have missed so much of this convo, i would realy have liked to state my opinions but they have all been taken and stated perfectly.
:( |
Well it's still time to state your opinion.
General - September 11, 2007 05:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ludivine @ Sep 11 2007, 10:47 AM) |
| QUOTE (General @ Sep 11 2007, 12:24 PM) | I wish i would not have missed so much of this convo, i would realy have liked to state my opinions but they have all been taken and stated perfectly.
:( |
Well it's still time to state your opinion.
|
No, it's okay, everything has already been said. But what i will say is that, I total agree with Sarah and Izumi on the topic of fandom.
Acacialazuli - September 11, 2007 09:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Izumi @ Sep 11 2007, 10:10 AM) |
Myself as an example... I like Mana either way. I am not a lesbian, nor am I bisexual. As acceptance of my own sexuality, I am straight. When I see Mana as a girl he does not make me question if I like females over males. |
hehe, yeah there was no question there, hon. :) As the resident dyke, I'd already pinged ya as straight. My gaydar is pretty good...anyway, other than our differing orientations, we're completely in agreement as far as I can tell.
Izumi - September 11, 2007 09:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Acacialazuli @ Sep 11 2007, 10:25 PM) |
| QUOTE (Izumi @ Sep 11 2007, 10:10 AM) | Myself as an example... I like Mana either way. I am not a lesbian, nor am I bisexual. As acceptance of my own sexuality, I am straight. When I see Mana as a girl he does not make me question if I like females over males. |
hehe, yeah there was no question there, hon. :) As the resident dyke, I'd already pinged ya as straight. My gaydar is pretty good...anyway, other than our differing orientations, we're completely in agreement as far as I can tell.
|
XD gaydar... thats awesome :lol:
General - September 11, 2007 10:09 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Acacialazuli @ Sep 11 2007, 03:25 PM) |
| QUOTE (Izumi @ Sep 11 2007, 10:10 AM) | Myself as an example... I like Mana either way. I am not a lesbian, nor am I bisexual. As acceptance of my own sexuality, I am straight. When I see Mana as a girl he does not make me question if I like females over males. |
hehe, yeah there was no question there, hon. :) As the resident dyke, I'd already pinged ya as straight. My gaydar is pretty good...anyway, other than our differing orientations, we're completely in agreement as far as I can tell.
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.......................................... I don't like this topic anymore.
xit - September 12, 2007 07:37 AM (GMT)
Personally I don't really care what way Mana swings.
In the beginning when I thought Mana was a girl (only seen his lolita outfits at the time), I thought he was really sexy.
Then I found out he was a man, and from that point on I just started admiring him for actually pulling it off looking so good.
Though I can't help but smile when I see him in his lolita outfits. ^_^
Yeah, I'm straight. :P
Acacialazuli: You're not the first I've met who's got a gaydar.
And they too was fooled in regards to Mana. :lol:
sylvanon - September 24, 2007 05:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (xit @ Sep 12 2007, 01:37 AM) |
Acacialazuli: You're not the first I've met who's got a gaydar. And they too was fooled in regards to Mana. :lol: |
for such things as visual kei, I have what I like to call 'man-dar'. I can always tell if it's a guy or a girl, even if it's really hard to tell. For example... Kaya, and Mana in his lolita outfits. I instantly knew he was a guy, and after that, I traumatised people by asking them he was male or female.
On the topic of sexuality... I'm leaning towards Mana being straight, myself, though I don't mind a bit of the fanfics every now and then.
Mourning Masamune - September 24, 2007 05:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sylvanon @ Sep 24 2007, 05:18 PM) |
| for such things as visual kei, I have what I like to call 'man-dar'. |
The official name is "Tranny-dar", dear.
sylvanon - September 26, 2007 04:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mourning Masamune @ Sep 24 2007, 11:47 AM) |
| QUOTE (sylvanon @ Sep 24 2007, 05:18 PM) | | for such things as visual kei, I have what I like to call 'man-dar'. |
The official name is "Tranny-dar", dear.
|
my bad then. But it's pretty wierd, being able to INSTANTLY tell that the cute little girl of whichever band is actually a guy... *cough*goodfortraumatisingpeople*cough*
ManaVampire - September 26, 2007 06:09 PM (GMT)
I knew Mana wasn't a girl from the start too, along with many other jrockers...I'm sure a lot of it has to do with what pictures/videos people see first along with what you see in physical features that points out to you that "thats a man!"